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AR3-GP wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 00:14
scuderiabrandon wrote:
04 Feb 2024, 22:12
jambuka wrote:
04 Feb 2024, 18:46
Better tire deg observed on SF-23 and F1-75 at Barcelona tire tests. this was due to further improvement to hybrid power management.
I mean the deg has been good for a while now, some stints we were matching RB's on the softer compounds in the latter stages of the season. Pace dropped off when the compounds got harder. Which also dismisses the ridiculous idea that Ferrari prioritize setups for qualifying.
I'm not saying Ferrari priotirize setups for qualifying, but qualifying is run on the softer tires. Coincidence, we don't know.

The fact that Ferrari just randomly stopped destroying their tires like butter in the middle of the season with no significant developments suggest it was a setup issue from the beginning. Imagine someone found the wrong value had been entered somewhere and then corrected it
Wasn't there some change in electrical mapping to treat the rear tyres better?

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AR3-GP wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 00:14
scuderiabrandon wrote:
04 Feb 2024, 22:12
jambuka wrote:
04 Feb 2024, 18:46
Better tire deg observed on SF-23 and F1-75 at Barcelona tire tests. this was due to further improvement to hybrid power management.
I mean the deg has been good for a while now, some stints we were matching RB's on the softer compounds in the latter stages of the season. Pace dropped off when the compounds got harder. Which also dismisses the ridiculous idea that Ferrari prioritize setups for qualifying.
I'm not saying Ferrari priotirize setups for qualifying, but qualifying is run on the softer tires. Coincidence, we don't know.

The fact that Ferrari just randomly stopped destroying their tires like butter in the middle of the season with no significant developments suggest it was a setup issue from the beginning.
There was an aero overall that started in Spain through to Japan. They made mid season deployment strategy changes to better treat the rear tyres and there was a mid season tyre changes. Ferrari also fixed major balance issues which they realized in Zandvoort, so setup changes aswell.

I don't think it was a single factor that caused deg issues.

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scuderiabrandon wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 00:27
AR3-GP wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 00:14
scuderiabrandon wrote:
04 Feb 2024, 22:12


I mean the deg has been good for a while now, some stints we were matching RB's on the softer compounds in the latter stages of the season. Pace dropped off when the compounds got harder. Which also dismisses the ridiculous idea that Ferrari prioritize setups for qualifying.
I'm not saying Ferrari priotirize setups for qualifying, but qualifying is run on the softer tires. Coincidence, we don't know.

The fact that Ferrari just randomly stopped destroying their tires like butter in the middle of the season with no significant developments suggest it was a setup issue from the beginning.
There was an aero overall that started in Spain through to Japan. They made mid season deployment strategy changes to better treat the rear tyres and there was a mid season tyre changes. Ferrari also fixed major balance issues which they realized in Zandvoort, so setup changes aswell.

I don't think it was a single factor that caused deg issues.
Yeah, not sure what AR3-GP is on about. Ferrari made several changes to the floor, and Japan was the last update after which much of the tire issue was gone as well as unpredictability of the car mid corner.

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Just how borked exactly was power delivery at the start of last season? It is the second time we hear of improvements coming from new PU mappings.

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Under the leadership of David George, who came to Ferrari from Red Bull last year, the power/torque distribution at corner exit and the speed/power balance on the straights have been improved.

The positive effect of this may be less wear on the tires. This is good news not only for Ferrari but also for customer teams.

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jambuka wrote:
04 Feb 2024, 18:46
Better tire deg observed on SF-23 and F1-75 at Barcelona tire tests. this was due to further improvement to hybrid power management.
To be noted that the SF 23 was run on 2025 proto tyres.

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Xyz22 wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 11:45
To be noted that the SF 23 was run on 2025 proto tyres.
This and the fact it should be prohibited for teams to use different electronics and software (more importantly) from what was used in races in the respective year does not inspire much confidence in authenticity of these reports. Having more data is always preferred and will be put to good use, both on tyres and other details, but anything more than that is likely pure speculation and click baiting.
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Some images taken by the Sky Italy documentary about the Scuderia.
I fount interesting the CFD of the F1-75 (not properly the F1-75, maybe an evaluation of possible improvements, it's an hybrid between SF23 and F1-75)
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christian.falavena wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 16:11
Some images taken by the Sky Italy documentary about the Scuderia.
I fount interesting the CFD of the F1-75 (not properly the F1-75, maybe an evaluation of possible improvements, it's an hybrid between SF23 and F1-75)
https://postimg.cc/sGpmPTzR

https://postimg.cc/1gkDWDJR

https://postimg.cc/Z9BrFwPD

https://postimg.cc/PCFWwgDw
Oh wow. Where's this from.

The CFD is done on the SF-23 before the changes.

The CAD model is the F1-75

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scuderiabrandon wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 16:24
christian.falavena wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 16:11
Some images taken by the Sky Italy documentary about the Scuderia.
I fount interesting the CFD of the F1-75 (not properly the F1-75, maybe an evaluation of possible improvements, it's an hybrid between SF23 and F1-75)
https://postimg.cc/sGpmPTzR

https://postimg.cc/1gkDWDJR

https://postimg.cc/Z9BrFwPD

https://postimg.cc/PCFWwgDw
Oh wow. Where's this from.

The CFD is done on the SF-23 before the changes.

The CAD model is the F1-75
Not sure it is properly the SF23. The cooling louvers were not on the engine cover...

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It is properly the sf-23. Just like this, no?

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christian.falavena wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 17:18
scuderiabrandon wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 16:24
christian.falavena wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 16:11
Some images taken by the Sky Italy documentary about the Scuderia.
I fount interesting the CFD of the F1-75 (not properly the F1-75, maybe an evaluation of possible improvements, it's an hybrid between SF23 and F1-75)
https://postimg.cc/sGpmPTzR

https://postimg.cc/1gkDWDJR

https://postimg.cc/Z9BrFwPD

https://postimg.cc/PCFWwgDw
Oh wow. Where's this from.

The CFD is done on the SF-23 before the changes.

The CAD model is the F1-75
Not sure it is properly the SF23. The cooling louvers were not on the engine cover...
I have been informed that IDRA is a die casting company, not sure why there seems to be wat looks like to be some sort of pressure plot overlayed.

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scuderiabrandon wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 17:43
christian.falavena wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 17:18
scuderiabrandon wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 16:24


Oh wow. Where's this from.

The CFD is done on the SF-23 before the changes.

The CAD model is the F1-75
Not sure it is properly the SF23. The cooling louvers were not on the engine cover...
I have been informed that IDRA is a die casting company, not sure why there seems to be wat looks like to be some sort of pressure plot overlayed.
There are various companies called Idra. Maybe it's something related with this https://idrasimulation.com/

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organic wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 17:40
It is properly the sf-23. Just like this, no?

https://i.imgur.com/LDsqmva.jpeg
That's the F1-75. And it's not the car in the image, look at the front nose and sidepod shape

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christian.falavena wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 18:09
organic wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 17:40
It is properly the sf-23. Just like this, no?

https://i.imgur.com/LDsqmva.jpeg
That's the F1-75. And it's not the car in the image, look at the front nose and sidepod shape
OK :mrgreen: true. But this is definitely the sf-23 with louvres on the engine cover
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