Virgin Racing VR-01 Cosworth

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bcoxa
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Imagineer wrote:I take your point but just to explain mine; in my opinion there is no comparison to driving a road car to an F1 car.

When a racing driver puts his foot down, it is on the floor almost like a switch, on or off, flat out all the time. The same with the brakes. They're either on the brake or throttle, therefore the difference between drivers is point of off throttle/on break and off brake/on throttle. Not a lot because they're all on the limit.
As far as safety car periods are concerned, yes they will allow for an amount of fuel conservation but no engineer will factor that into calculating the overall capacity of a fuel tank.
This wonderfully insightful information is backed up by what evidence?
I'm not an engineer, just an experiment.

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bcoxa wrote:
Imagineer wrote:I take your point but just to explain mine; in my opinion there is no comparison to driving a road car to an F1 car.

When a racing driver puts his foot down, it is on the floor almost like a switch, on or off, flat out all the time. The same with the brakes. They're either on the brake or throttle, therefore the difference between drivers is point of off throttle/on break and off brake/on throttle. Not a lot because they're all on the limit.
As far as safety car periods are concerned, yes they will allow for an amount of fuel conservation but no engineer will factor that into calculating the overall capacity of a fuel tank.
This wonderfully insightful information is backed up by what evidence?
It's the way that he wins races in Gran Turismo!

But seriously, driving style is probably one of the biggest factors on fuel consumption, which is why in F1 before the refuel ban, we could see drivers conserving fuel by driving less aggressively, and delaying their pit stops by a lap or so.
Yer.

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they have calculated a deficit of 12 litres in worst case conditions..so what is this allowing for a very cold day in ,yes where is the venue with the highest consumption? so building a new tub to gain say 1 minute of elapsed time when you are last anyways seems to be a rediculous investment.
so they´d better hope for a safety car or rain on these 2 or 3 races or drive a bit slower as they possibly could..for a few laps..
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Imagineer wrote:I take your point but just to explain mine; in my opinion there is no comparison to driving a road car to an F1 car.

When a racing driver puts his foot down, it is on the floor almost like a switch, on or off, flat out all the time. The same with the brakes. They're either on the brake or throttle, therefore the difference between drivers is point of off throttle/on break and off brake/on throttle. Not a lot because they're all on the limit.

As far as safety car periods are concerned, yes they will allow for an amount of fuel conservation but no engineer will factor that into calculating the overall capacity of a fuel tank.
Great stuff! :lol:

Looks here for De La Rosa's footwork video.

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Fine example; De La Rosa, in an Arrows. Nice footage though

Still no comparison to driving a road car!?

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Imagineer wrote:I take your point but just to explain mine; in my opinion there is no comparison to driving a road car to an F1 car.

When a racing driver puts his foot down, it is on the floor almost like a switch, on or off, flat out all the time. The same with the brakes. They're either on the brake or throttle, therefore the difference between drivers is point of off throttle/on break and off brake/on throttle. Not a lot because they're all on the limit.

As far as safety car periods are concerned, yes they will allow for an amount of fuel conservation but no engineer will factor that into calculating the overall capacity of a fuel tank.
You need to watch a practice session or race on Macca's website with telemetry. Both brake and throttle are almost always partial (except straights obviously) they are constantly feeding and adjusting both from corner entry to corner exit.
"The car is slow in the straights and doesn't work well in the corners." JV

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Imagineer wrote:Still no comparison to driving a road car!?
It's not the same thing as driving on the roads. It's not the pedals that are very different, it's how you use them. You couldn't be more WRONG about the 'buttons' if you haven't understood that yet.
Even on a simulator I managed to save over 10 litres in less than 20 laps of Magny-Cours by using different driving techniques that resulted just a little bit slower laptimes. That was a GT car but in F1 it's similar. For example you can save a whole lot of fuel by using throttle less while on the brakes, coasting into the corners. Although you have more control and brake later if you use the throttle to control the car while braking.

Imagineer
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Ok I'm WRONG.

Has anyone ever admitted that on here before?

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Imagineer wrote:Ok I'm WRONG.

Has anyone ever admitted that on here before?
No, I think that's a first. Hats off to you Imagineer! :D
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Imagineer wrote:Ok I'm WRONG.

Has anyone ever admitted that on here before?
Let's just say, it could happen more often here :)

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The one major gripe that i have with Virgin is that they do not publich chassis numbers in their press realeases, same with Mercedes to a point.

Why the secrecy??? I thought F1 was trying to be slighly more open???

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They are to publish ther names soon though.

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Pandamasque wrote:They are to publish ther names soon though.
Like the Red Bull RB5-01 as Kates Dirty Sister, and RB6-03 being Lussious Liz.

If they gave me the chassis number, it would be much better.

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ESP, why not just e-mail them with that suggestion? They just might oblige to your petition.
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So what was your first reaction when you were told about the fuel tank problem?

Richard Branson: F*** me! We knew that the car was designed to push the barriers to the limits, and I also knew that we had six months to pull this car together - and that there were going to be teething problems. I think you will find that there are a number of cars that are challenged in this area, but we had to go to the FIA because of the particular redesign that we have had to do...
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