2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[AR3-GP]

And Red Bull, and Ferrari, and McLaren, and Alpine, and Aston Martin, etc...

What's your point. High ranking leadership from 4 of those teams mentioned (let's not get off topic), were made redundant due to underperformance.

You seem to be responding poorly to the idea that the people in leadership have to earn their contracts. This is not controversial imo.

How did it help Ferrari? 1 spot lower than last year.
How did it help Alpine? 2 spots lower than last year.
Who of Red Bulls leadership was sacked?
Sure is helping McLaren now, but 150 points behind Merc.

It was otmar who was sacked from Aston Martin.

To be clear, sacking someone, and bringing in the correct replacements are two different things. Mclaren is going well now after cleaning house including their team principal who it was claimed was stifling the true restructuring needed at Mclaren. (Well, it was a convenient divorce in so much as a sacking, but clearly Stella and Promodrou (forgive my spelling) were not happy and Seidl wasn't interested in staying with what he was building). Mercedes took Mike Elliot out of the TD role to bring Allison back. Ferrari is still crippled by technical decisions made by old leaders. You can see the explanation in the Sf23 technical thread. The legacy SIS placement does not allow them to utilize undercut like RB/Merc/Mclaren.

I'm not responding poorly at all. Merc get pole and you tangentialize with beancounters and failures to understand F1.
That is negative as it is false. Hence my interjection.
The irony is Merc arent paying for the team out the coffers, so beancounting has been dispelled, and failures of understanding has been dispelled as the CEO of Mercedes literally formulated the idea of AMG branding and autonomy to circumvent any mothership interference along with trifecta ownership.

The absolute staggering, glaring point in all of this.... your "beancounters and failures to understand F1" have are only applied to Mercedes team thread.

I also think it applies to Alpine. Traditionally very stingy and while other teams were making big signings from Merc/RB/Ferrari, Alpine did not make any big signings.

but again, we are going off topic now. What is your fascination with discussing other teams here?

In any case, every year I'm sure the leadership is evaluated amongst themselves. It would be complacent to assume one is always fit to the task. A win like today builds confidence in this leadership. This is not to be spun as a negative comment.

[ValeVida46]

What is your fascination with discussing other teams here?

Context.

Because the application of criticism is valid and fair if it applies equally to all teams on a sound basis of factually ascertained criterions.


McLaren performed well in qualifying and you wrote:

Mclaren have now done enough to merit belief in their processes.

Mclaren, that was phenomenal. I'm a believer.

Mercedes bag pole, and it's a backhanded compliment that had to get beancounters and misunderstandings squeezed into it. That's pretty transparent eh?

[AR3-GP]

What is your fascination with discussing other teams here?

Context.

Because the application of criticism is valid and fair if it applies equally to all teams on a sound basis of factually ascertained criterions.


McLaren performed well in qualifying and you wrote:

Mclaren have now done enough to merit belief in their processes.

Mclaren, that was phenomenal. I'm a believer.

Mercedes bag pole, and it's a backhanded compliment that had to get beancounters and misunderstandings squeezed into it. That's pretty transparent eh?

Mclaren went from backmarker to front of grid. There is a difference. In other forums which I post in I questioned Zak Brown's position. The Mclaren forum has more participation on a different site.

I can imagine many negative things that could be said but I don't see anything here that would qualify.

[dans79]

Mclaren went from backmarker to front of grid. Surely you can see the difference. In other forums, Zak brown's position was challenged prior to the resurgence.

You realize that's exactly what the biased Tunnel and cfd time is supposed to do right?

[AR3-GP]

Mclaren went from backmarker to front of grid. Surely you can see the difference. In other forums, Zak brown's position was challenged prior to the resurgence.

You realize that's exactly what the biased Tunnel and cfd time is supposed to do right?

What has it done for Alpha Tauri, Haas, Alfa Romeo? I also question their leadership. Franz Tost is being replaced. I also question what Aston Martin have done with all of their time since the beginning of the season.

[ValeVida46]

Mclaren went from backmarker to front of grid. Surely you can see the difference. In other forums, Zak brown's position was challenged prior to the resurgence.

You realize that's exactly what the biased Tunnel and cfd time is supposed to do right?

What has it done for Alpha Tauri, Haas, Alfa Romeo? I also question their leadership. I also question what Aston Martin have done with all of their time since the beginning of the season.

So Mercedes beat Macca to pole with less cfd and windtunnel time, its a backhanded compliment, but you now believe in McLaren even though you questioned Zak Brown's leadership(if I read correctly).

There's no linear logic. You are applying 2 different standards of criticism and praise.
And this is exactly why I find this thread so contentious.

[Gillian]

You realize that's exactly what the biased Tunnel and cfd time is supposed to do right?

What has it done for Alpha Tauri, Haas, Alfa Romeo? I also question their leadership. I also question what Aston Martin have done with all of their time since the beginning of the season.

So Mercedes beat Macca to pole with less cfd and windtunnel time, its a backhanded compliment, but you now believe in McLaren even though you questioned Zak Brown's leadership(if I read correctly).

There's no linear logic. You are applying 2 different standards of criticism and praise.
And this is exactly why I find this thread so contentious.

If you see today's pole as Hamiltons achievement more so than Mercedes' than it does make sense.

McLaren seem to on a better trajectory than Mercedes at the moment taking last race into account.

But Hamilton was the best driver today. Almost perfect lap. Well deserved.

[AR3-GP]

You realize that's exactly what the biased Tunnel and cfd time is supposed to do right?

What has it done for Alpha Tauri, Haas, Alfa Romeo? I also question their leadership. I also question what Aston Martin have done with all of their time since the beginning of the season.

So Mercedes beat Macca to pole with less cfd and windtunnel time, its a backhanded compliment, but you now believe in McLaren even though you questioned Zak Brown's leadership(if I read correctly).

There's no linear logic. You are applying 2 different standards of criticism and praise.
And this is exactly why I find this thread so contentious.

Mclaren have been nowhere for a long while and had a very embarrassing start to the new regulations (last in Bahrain and car not able to keep brakes under it). From there I criticized Zak Brown. They did similar again for the start of 2023. Again, I questioned it and believed that Lando Norris would leave the team at his earliest convenience. As it would turn out since getting to terms with their upgrade package, they were the closest team to RB in Silverstone, look like they are the closest to RB in the long runs here, and now have tons of extra WT to dig into the margin to RB. No one remembers 2nd down through 10th. If Mclaren defeat RB next year, we won't remember the tumultuous '22 season or anything Mercedes did in '22/'23 beyond the eye-catching zero-pod construction.

For what it's worth, I could say that Mercedes also got pole here last year, and that Hamilton in particular is adding some laptime on this circuit that no one else is. Without it, no pole. I could have mentioned this at first, but I was wary of getting an earful from you for downplaying the car and being negative.

[dans79]

What has it done for Alpha Tauri, Haas, Alfa Romeo?

None of them have ever been good teams. The biased time is a big helping hand, but it's not a miracle.

I also question what Aston Martin have done with all of their time since the beginning of the season.

made big gains, but now that they are p3 in the constructors it has been cut way back. if you don't know the time allocation got recalculated june 30th for the rest of the year.

[AR3-GP]

What has it done for Alpha Tauri, Haas, Alfa Romeo?

None of them have ever been good teams. The biased time is a big helping hand, but it's not a miracle.

I also question what Aston Martin have done with all of their time since the beginning of the season.

made big gains, but now that they are p3 in the constructors it has been cut way back. if you don't know the time allocation got recalculated june 30th for the rest of the year.

The development since June 30th, hasn't touched the Aston Martin. You think they already have parts from the windtunnel on July 1st, a full package of parts 2 weeks later? This car is the culmination of wt time used in the first half of the year. There's no excuses. They've dropped it.

[dans79]

The development since June 30th, hasn't touched the Aston Martin. You think they already have parts from the windtunnel on July 1st, a full package of parts 2 weeks later? This car is the culmination of wt time used in the first half of the year. There's no excuses. They've dropped it.

I think you missed my point, they had a significant allocation because they finished 7th last year. They used that allocation wisely at the beginning of the year. However they have a lot less now, and they still have to abide by the budget cap. They could be out of money, or had to cut way back on development time, because they jumped up the order, or both.

if you look at the rules you can really be hammered under the cfd tunnel allocation if you make a big jump up the field.


it's very much a balancing act.
as you can see here.

[AR3-GP]

"I don't think I breathed the whole lap"

[Gillian]

What has it done for Alpha Tauri, Haas, Alfa Romeo?

None of them have ever been good teams. The biased time is a big helping hand, but it's not a miracle.

I also question what Aston Martin have done with all of their time since the beginning of the season.

made big gains, but now that they are p3 in the constructors it has been cut way back. if you don't know the time allocation got recalculated june 30th for the rest of the year.

And they're limited on what they can/will spend. Extra windtunnel time is only worth so much if you don't have the funds to build/design the parts.

[214270]

Win or lose, smashes the table anyway.

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Was that an Angela Cullen clone?

Who knows, she defo was hanging around his side of the garage though.

[214270]

Crosswinds affected HAMs S3.