Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[Mr.S]

Your statistics show it clearly,Nico is just Plain Slower than Michael on Race Pace.

I'm afraid your conclusion is illogical

I am afraid mine is as logical or illogical as yours. You cant pick & choose 1 side to suit a conclusion.Nico who has a 17-2 record against Michael in Qualifying should not be 7-6 ahead with the best finish going to Michael. In that case there is something missing

[veYda25]

Interesting air cargo arrived in australia
Do they always travel on soft pirellis? =D>

[clipsy1H]

here's an interesting FACT!


Time for history lesson.

In 1992&1993, Nigel Mansell and Alain Prost became champions in Adrian Newey designed Williams-Renault. But in 1994, Michael Schumacher stopped them, winning the title with Benneton-Ford with Ross Brawn besides him.

In 1998&1999, Mika Hakkinen became champion in a McLaren-Mercedes, and Newey was there again. Guess who stopped them in 2000? It was Michael Shumacher again in a Ferrari and Ross Brawn was besides him, too.

In 2010&2011, young Sebastian Vettel won the title in a car designed by who? It's Mr.Newey again!
Incidentally in 2012, Michael Schmacher and Ross Brawn are together this time at Mercedes AMG Petronas.

Amazing stuff !!!!

keep dreaming son! let's hope michael win 1 race this year!!!

BTW: Mercedes Have a Private Cargo Plane?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Your statistics show it clearly,Nico is just Plain Slower than Michael on Race Pace.

I'm afraid your conclusion is illogical

I am afraid mine is as logical or illogical as yours. You cant pick & choose 1 side to suit a conclusion.Nico who has a 17-2 record against Michael in Qualifying should not be 7-6 ahead with the best finish going to Michael. In that case there is something missing

So 19/9 nico has beaten Micheal in races and you are trying to say Micheal is faster?
You are a Schumacher fan, I get it. I know you dont want the facts to get in the way of this, but I'm afraid that what it is.

Nico is a good qualifier. Putting the car ahead of where it should be, he did it at Williams too. Now you are suggesting when he loses places to faster cars that he lacks race pace. I disagree.

Doesnt matter which way you paint it. Nico outscores, out-qualifies and out races Micheal. If that pill is too bitter to swallow, perhaps you should re-evaluate your opinion of the God-like MS.

[munudeges]

I just wonder how many times a driver has to beat his team mate before the penny starts to drop with some people.

[NonNewtonic]

BTW: Mercedes Have a Private Cargo Plane?[/quote]

Nope all cars are delivered by DHL which is the official transporter for F1

[Pierce89]

Your statistics show it clearly,Nico is just Plain Slower than Michael on Race Pace.

I wonder how bad Schumachers pace was if he wasn't able to beat a plain slow driver like Nico Rosberg. On the other side he can be happy to have such a slow driver as teammate, imagine with Alonso, Hamilton or Vettel as teammate it would look even worse.

I love the logic: Micheal finished ahead six times to Nico's seven, so nico is clearly slower.

Race pace is race pace. Quali pace is quali pace.
Nico finished ahead in both counts. If Micheal was starting in 18th every week and their finishes were that close, then I'd give him the nod on race pace, but they were always close together on the grid(often side by side). So, Nico's better finsih is just that a better finish.

[ivand911]

Your statistics show it clearly,Nico is just Plain Slower than Michael on Race Pace.

I wonder how bad Schumachers pace was if he wasn't able to beat a plain slow driver like Nico Rosberg. On the other side he can be happy to have such a slow driver as teammate, imagine with Alonso, Hamilton or Vettel as teammate it would look even worse.

I love the logic: Micheal finished ahead six times to Nico's seven, so nico is clearly slower.

Race pace is race pace. Quali pace is quali pace.
Nico finished ahead in both counts. If Micheal was starting in 18th every week and their finishes were that close, then I'd give him the nod on race pace, but they were always close together on the grid(often side by side). So, Nico's better finsih is just that a better finish.

How you count 6:7 for Nico? I mean the races where they both finished. I count 7:7. For Michael- MAL,SPAIN,CAN,SPA,ITA,JAP,IND. For Nico - CHINA,TUR,EUR,GB,GER,ABU,BRA. MS lead in Monaco, better race pace in Singapore, Brazil,he was clearly going to take Nico there. Korea he was taken out after the first pit stop when his pace usually started to improve, Nico was so slow at the end so JA pass him easily. Tell us again who was fast and who slow? Silverstone - MS also have better race pace, he was ahead when he collide with Koba. Nico show some pace only in China and Abu Dhabi.

[diego1960]

MSC is just a little bit faster in race pace, compensating for the lack of pure speed with experience, positioning of the car, demon starts, good overtaking and better set-up most of the times. Of course, qualifying is a whole different story with Nico far ahead. What I do not get however is how everyone is bashing MSC for being 19-9 slower in races when clearly there was a big difference in Schumacher of 2010 and Schumacher of 2011 with the latter being faster and able to challenge a young Nico Rosberg many times and often surpassing him. That said, I really like the combination of both our drivers as they seem to be direct opposites, thus covering all the options. I must say however that I am a huge Michael fan as Nico's style just reminds me of Button in the races and quite frankly it bores me to death.

PS: Funny that when it suits the argument MSC is not faster on race pace than Nico as the qualifying difference they have is not huge enough to justify praise when MSC finishes one spot behind/ahead!

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

@diego


No one is bashing Schumacher. An opinion was raised that Schumacher would beat Rosberg this year. I wanted to know the foundation of the opinion other than that of hope.

As you can tell I have researched this, and my only logical conclusion based on the previous 2 season is that Schumacher will be 1 year older and also facing an even greater task to match Rosberg.
I haven't seen anyone denigrate Schu, and yes he was a demon starter in 2011. But then this was also helped by the fact his Qualifying performances where very mediocre.
Rosberg and Schu share the same car after all.

Maybe Schumacher fans need to doff their cap in the direction of Rosberg. Maybe.

[marcush.]

guess who is returning first when mercedes has a front row lockout?
Your musings are mute.Rosberg is the lesser racer.If the car is good enough Schumacher will derail rosberg within 5 races.

[mix2mix]

@diego


No one is bashing Schumacher. An opinion was raised that Schumacher would beat Rosberg this year. I wanted to know the foundation of the opinion other than that of hope.

As you can tell I have researched this, and my only logical conclusion based on the previous 2 season is that Schumacher will be 1 year older and also facing an even greater task to match Rosberg.
I haven't seen anyone denigrate Schu, and yes he was a demon starter in 2011. But then this was also helped by the fact his Qualifying performances where very mediocre.
Rosberg and Schu share the same car after all.

Maybe Schumacher fans need to doff their cap in the direction of Rosberg. Maybe.

I do not agree with your opinion, you must remember to 2010 Michael come back after long pause, and 2011 Michael would be ahead of Nico in points to Kobayshi not do this stupid thing.

But clearly we will see soon who are faster at the moment.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

guess who is returning first when mercedes has a front row lockout?
Your musings are mute.Rosberg is the lesser racer.If the car is good enough Schumacher will derail rosberg within 5 races.

I disagree Marcush. These musing aren't mute, very far from it. Schumacher beat every team mate he ever had until Rosberg. I'd say that's pretty seismic.

If the car is good enough For Rosberg to beat Schu....whats is lost in the transition for Schu to beat Rosberg?

These straws your clutching marcush, they're wearing thin!

And I really do hope that Schumacher beats Rosberg this season, genuinely. I just cannot ignore the facts.

@mix2mix
Your entitled to that
But every driver up and down the grid has a what if story, even Rosberg and Schu.

[Schurcedes]

I think it's a testament to his abilities that people continue to forget (or ignore, which is more convenient) that the man is 43 and competing with a 26 year old in his prime. The likes of Hill and Prost certainly have not, however, past greats whose opinions I do value and -let's face it- the only opinions that matter, at the end of the day.

Schumacher only scored 72 points to Rosberg's 142 in 2010, while in 2011 Rosberg could only manage 89 points to Michael's 76. The margin by which Schumacher improved between these two seasons is evident by how much more valuable the points were in the W02 compared to the W01.

To an extent this was due to the addition of the DRS that made passing easier and the fact that Mercedes were in a lonely fourth, though that still does not explain how Schumacher managed to score more points than in his first year with the team when Rosberg could only manage half his tally. It's not rocket science.

I expect this trend to continue and for Schumacher to improve further though probably not by the same extent as between 2010 and 2011 (diminishing returns..)

Interestingly if the wolf pack is closer together this year it may affect Schumacher's qualifying results adversely, but equally it may also affect the weaker Rosberg's performance on Sunday making him an easy target for the Kobayashis and the di Restas in the midfield.

Edited to add: http://www.totalf1.com/details/view/395 ... tant__yet/

Some perspective. A perspective.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

@Schurcedes

If you cannot accept that Schumacher was beaten by Rosberg in 2010 and 2011, then I'm afraid constructive debate with you is over.