2012 Canadian GP - Gilles Villeneuve

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xpensive wrote:Amazing how Vettel can be on pole on a power-track like Montreal, considering being at least 40 Hp down on the McLarens, not to mention perhaps 70 less than MGP/AMG. Right JET?

come on now... :roll:

Renault has been making F1 engines for decades.. they haven't missed a trick when it comes to horsepower for the last 3 years.
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Chuckjr wrote:I cannot remember...does Canada have a dirty side of the grid or not so much?
not so much since lots of drivers use the RHS of the track on hot laps.

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n smikle wrote:
xpensive wrote:Amazing how Vettel can be on pole on a power-track like Montreal, considering being at least 40 Hp down on the McLarens, not to mention perhaps 70 less than MGP/AMG. Right JET?

come on now... :roll:

Renault has been making F1 engines for decades.. they haven't missed a trick when it comes to horsepower for the last 3 years.
the HP deficit is more BS from Horner. Lotus were topping the speed traps comfortably at Barcelona.

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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Will Red Bull really have that good a tyre life in comparison to say Ferrari?

With that skinny wing they're running they risk over cooking the tyres. They may just have found a tiny operating window that suits a 2 stop strategy, but I reservations over this.
The moment the tyres start to play funny buggers I'm of the opinion Red Bull will be in a world of hurt.
Maybe Webber will struggle, but certainly Vettel has been in a class of his own in terms of extracting life from the tyres over the last season and a half. It's a large part of his current advantage, these tyres just suit his natural driving style. This will be doubly true if he stays out front.

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myurr wrote:
JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Will Red Bull really have that good a tyre life in comparison to say Ferrari?

With that skinny wing they're running they risk over cooking the tyres. They may just have found a tiny operating window that suits a 2 stop strategy, but I reservations over this.
The moment the tyres start to play funny buggers I'm of the opinion Red Bull will be in a world of hurt.
Maybe Webber will struggle, but certainly Vettel has been in a class of his own in terms of extracting life from the tyres over the last season and a half. It's a large part of his current advantage, these tyres just suit his natural driving style. This will be doubly true if he stays out front.

Myurr..These Pirelli lottery wheels? I could agree to it suiting him, and his car in these conditions. The way these pirellies are drawing, who knows what is going to happen next race.
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Let's see what happens, I just think it's not so clear cut.
More could have been done.
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n smikle wrote:Myurr..These Pirelli lottery wheels? I could agree to it suiting him, and his car in these conditions. The way these pirellies are drawing, who knows what is going to happen next race.
You can call it a lottery all you like, it's not random and there are clear patterns emerging. They are difficult to work with, but it's not random.

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Seb's Pole Lap

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeCkU6LJpG4[/youtube]

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myurr wrote:
n smikle wrote:Myurr..These Pirelli lottery wheels? I could agree to it suiting him, and his car in these conditions. The way these pirellies are drawing, who knows what is going to happen next race.
You can call it a lottery all you like, it's not random and there are clear patterns emerging. They are difficult to work with, but it's not random.
EXACTLY. Teams and drivers need to get over it, stop complaining, and do their job. These are smart, educated, experienced, VERY well paid people. Do the job. I don't complain about stuff thats dam near impossible to control/understand in my job, and I don't make near the money and have tons of pressure to perform. To me, it's why Alonso is doing so well--he just puts his head down, doesn't complain, and drives the car balls out.

IMO, everyone needs to get over the tires. This is great racing and no clear leader at any weekend. No it's not like the old days but it's not the 60's anymore so deal with it. Times change. Tech changes. Desires change. Culture changes. It's just the way life works. It's sure as hell more exciting than last year. I can't wait for every weekend now. This is fantastic stuff this year.
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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:Seb's Pole Lap

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeCkU6LJpG4[youtube]
He never made it to the apex at the hairpin, but that car looks massively stable in every way.

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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Will Red Bull really have that good a tyre life in comparison to say Ferrari?

With that skinny wing they're running they risk over cooking the tyres. They may just have found a tiny operating window that suits a 2 stop strategy, but I reservations over this.
The moment the tyres start to play funny buggers I'm of the opinion Red Bull will be in a world of hurt.
Vettel might be OK, if he comes out in P1 out of T1 (clean air). But if he runs in dirty air like Webber, then probably.

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Red Schneider wrote:
Crucial_Xtreme wrote:Seb's Pole Lap

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeCkU6LJpG4[youtube]
He never made it to the apex at the hairpin, but that car looks massively stable in every way.
Yeah, he could've gone quicker :wtf: .

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n smikle wrote:
xpensive wrote:Amazing how Vettel can be on pole on a power-track like Montreal, considering being at least 40 Hp down on the McLarens, not to mention perhaps 70 less than MGP/AMG. Right JET?

come on now... :roll:

Renault has been making F1 engines for decades.. they haven't missed a trick when it comes to horsepower for the last 3 years.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think he's talking about redbull's kers having less HP than the other teams

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I think X meant the engine, and the Renault engine is not weak, it maybe was weaker due to EBD but now the engine is maybe more powerful than Ferrari or Mercedes. I think there is no real differnce in HP between the engines. Also Renault engine was said the be the most efficient one, don't know if that is still true.
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