2016 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, 22-24 July

[FoxHound]

The fact remains that the yellows were not retracted yet, Nico simply chose to ignore them. We all remember what happens when drivers ignore safety warnings, as stated above.

No punishment would send the wrong message to the drivers, regardless of how safe it was for Nico to go flat out.

No, I'll reiterate that if it is proven he lifted, he did not ignore the flags.

[Jolle]

It is always possible that the matter will be dropped. Speaking from a regulatory point of view, I think he is in the wrong because the sector time is not allowed to be improved if I am correct. But: how reasonable would it be to penalize him in that situation?

That's the thing.

It would look like the FIA are redressing the balance to get a decent race tomorrow. Of course Red Bull complaining doesn't help Rosberg's case, but punishment should be a tap on the wrists and maybe a warning. Anything more and it seems draconian.

If he's found guilty it will be a start from he back for sure. This is a safety mater and one that killed Bianchi. It's a worst offence then overtaking under yellow or overtaking under red. What got Vettel DQ from qualifying in the past.

[Schuttelberg]

Even worse, he has every chance to get couple more championships with this car.

I've never seen a champion go faster then their machinery. And, in the last 40 years I don't think a single champion has won a title without having the best car.

Hamilton in '08.

[dans79]

Lewis 2015
https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2015/ ... ngary.html

Nico 2016
http://www.formula1.com/en/video/2016/7 ... _2016.html


The difference is about 6 kph, i hardly call that a lift. Specially when you consider what the rule says.

Two waved yellows at the same post indicates great danger ahead. Drivers must slow down and be prepared to stop; no overtaking is permitted unless a driver is lapped.

[FoxHound]

It is always possible that the matter will be dropped. Speaking from a regulatory point of view, I think he is in the wrong because the sector time is not allowed to be improved if I am correct. But: how reasonable would it be to penalize him in that situation?

That's the thing.

It would look like the FIA are redressing the balance to get a decent race tomorrow. Of course Red Bull complaining doesn't help Rosberg's case, but punishment should be a tap on the wrists and maybe a warning. Anything more and it seems draconian.

If he's found guilty it will be a start from he back for sure. This is a safety mater and one that killed Bianchi. It's a worst offence then overtaking under yellow or overtaking under red. What got Vettel DQ from qualifying in the past.

But using common sense, were the conditions the same as Bianchi's accident?
Were the Marshals tardy in retracting the flags?
Did Rosberg lift to acknowledge the flags?

I get what you are saying, but would Rosberg also not have a point in saying the corner was clear?

[adrianjordan]

The fact remains that the yellows were not retracted yet, Nico simply chose to ignore them. We all remember what happens when drivers ignore safety warnings, as stated above.

No punishment would send the wrong message to the drivers, regardless of how safe it was for Nico to go flat out.

No, I'll reiterate that if it is proven he lifted, he did not ignore the flags.

But was he prepared to stop? That's the important part of double waved yellows.

[FoxHound]

Lewis 2015
https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2015/ ... ngary.html

Nico 2016
https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2015/ ... ngary.html


The difference is about 6 kph, i hardly call that a lift. Specially when you consider what the rule says.

Two waved yellows at the same post indicates great danger ahead. Drivers must slow down and be prepared to stop; no overtaking is permitted unless a driver is lapped.

Lift could equate to "slow down", and this could be a precursor to "be prepared to stop".
No mention on actual speed, or anything to do with sector times.

[cooken]

To be fair, Lewis probably needs a 15pt asterisk. K satisfied?

[dans79]

I get what you are saying, but would Rosberg also not have a point in saying the corner was clear?

If I role through a 4 way stop because I didn't see anyone, I'm still going to get a ticket if a cop sees me.

You can't have grey area with stuff like this, it must be black and white. Anything less invites teams & drivers to bend the rules.

[siskue2005]

What is the weather forecast for tomorrow?
Will it be dry or will it be like today?

[Jolle]

That's the thing.

It would look like the FIA are redressing the balance to get a decent race tomorrow. Of course Red Bull complaining doesn't help Rosberg's case, but punishment should be a tap on the wrists and maybe a warning. Anything more and it seems draconian.

If he's found guilty it will be a start from he back for sure. This is a safety mater and one that killed Bianchi. It's a worst offence then overtaking under yellow or overtaking under red. What got Vettel DQ from qualifying in the past.

But using common sense, were the conditions the same as Bianchi's accident?
Were the Marshals tardy in retracting the flags?
Did Rosberg lift to acknowledge the flags?

I get what you are saying, but would Rosberg also not have a point in saying the corner was clear?

Rules like the double waved yellow shouldn't be open for discussion. And I'm that respect the conditions were the same, both had double yellows. At that moment it's not up to the driver anymore to judge the conditions. Even if a Marshall makes a mistake, waving the wrong flag or whatever, it still is a double waved yellow, disrespecting that is, in some cases, deadly.

[Jester Maroc]

That's the thing.

It would look like the FIA are redressing the balance to get a decent race tomorrow. Of course Red Bull complaining doesn't help Rosberg's case, but punishment should be a tap on the wrists and maybe a warning. Anything more and it seems draconian.

If he's found guilty it will be a start from he back for sure. This is a safety mater and one that killed Bianchi. It's a worst offence then overtaking under yellow or overtaking under red. What got Vettel DQ from qualifying in the past.

But using common sense, were the conditions the same as Bianchi's accident?
Were the Marshals tardy in retracting the flags?
Did Rosberg lift to acknowledge the flags?

I get what you are saying, but would Rosberg also not have a point in saying the corner was clear?

The drivers never get to decide if the danger has passed. This is what Bianchi tried to do.

Also, "lifting" slightly is very different from "slowing down and preparing to stop". I have no idea why we are debating the fact that he ignored yellow flags. I mean he got a purple in that sector!

[dans79]

No mention on actual speed, or anything to do with sector times.

http://www.eurosport.com/formula-1/f1-d ... tory.shtml

They have been told by F1 race director Charlie Whiting that they must now slow down by 0.2 seconds compared to their best sector time for single yellow flags, and 0.5s for double waved yellows.

[GrizzleBoy]

What is the weather forecast for tomorrow?
Will it be dry or will it be like today?

Hot and a bit cloudy, with basically zero chance of rain.

[Wynters]

Lift could equate to "slow down", and this could be a precursor to "be prepared to stop".
No mention on actual speed, or anything to do with sector times.

There's a fine line. You are awfully close to saying "He braked for the corner, so that means he slowed down." Also, Marshalls being 'Tardy' with flags has absolutely no relevance at all.

"Why did you plow into those marshalls when the yellow flags were clearly visible?"

"I thought the marshalls were just being tardy bringing in the flags so I floored it through the apex. Turned out they knew more about what they were doing and what the situation was than I did, which is totally unforeseeable."

Personally, I think it was borderline but I'd want to see the telemetry and flag timings to be sure. To slow down and yet set the fastest time is definitely doable (dependent on how long the yellow flags were out for). Considering how much faster everyone else was going in the first sector it suggests there was a lot of time on the table so it's more than possible than Nico was deliberately slower than his previous attempt through the area marked by the yellow flags and then took a double-handful of that time on offer over the rest of the lap. That his first sector was also very slow may mean that he had better rubber for S2 and S3 too.