2016 German Grand Prix - Hockenheim, 29-31 July

[Phil]

How so? He did it in Austria and was punished. He then did it again here and... guess what, he was penalized again. Cant be more straight forward and consistent.

Hamilton pushes him out in Japan and it's cool because... corner exit apparently.

Corner exit is a different topic and commonly accepted. It's really simple: driving straight whilst under full control of the car in order to prevent your competitor from being able to take the corner is not allowed. It wasnt allowed in Austria when it caused a collision and it wasnt allowed here either.

Niki said it post race; the problem is that Rosberg didnt even attempt to turn in but just continued straight on in an attempt to prevent his competitor to make the corner.

Had he attempted to turn in, perhaps locked up and then went straight, it nay have been deemed a racing incident. But the fact is, he consciously attempt to shut out a competitor AGAiN.

[QLDriver]

Didn't Vettel get a 5s penalty at Silverstone for an attempt on Massa that was somewhat similar?

[Wynters]

I don't know the difference between Hamilton at turn 1 Montreal with Rosberg and Rosberg and Verstappen today.

Pre or post apex is the difference, I believe.

Zero consistency.

They've been very consistent with this (Rosberg in Austria and here, Vettel at Silverstone).

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Lewis Knows.....

[Jolle]

I don't know the difference between Hamilton at turn 1 Montreal with Rosberg and Rosberg and Verstappen today.

Pre or post apex is the difference, I believe.

Zero consistency.

They've been very consistent with this (Rosberg in Austria and here, Vettel at Silverstone).

Because post-apex you have a choice, as we see many drivers do (like Canada 2014 Ros on Ham). You can get off throttle and fall behind. On pre-apex, because you're slowing down, you don't have a choice when the track is "disappearing".

[GrizzleBoy]

Lewis Knows.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkFWYnO ... e=youtu.be

Ricciardos expression is hilarious.

Like "leave me out of this".

[Restomaniac]

Lewis Knows.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkFWYnO ... e=youtu.be

Ricciardos expression is hilarious.

Like "leave me out of this".

Whilst probably thinking 'I can't really argue'.

It must be hard for Rosberg to watch stuff like this as it's clear other drivers are laughing at him now and one of them is his team mate. The same team mate that he had a massive lead over due to unrealiability who when given equal luck has consistently had the better of him in 2016.

Rosberg is just showing himself up everytime he tries to go wheel to wheel. It clear he struggles with it.
It's either in your nature or it isn't and unfortunatly Rosberg just doesn't have it.

[FoxHound]

Corner exit is a different topic and commonly accepted. It's really simple: driving straight whilst under full control of the car in order to prevent your competitor from being able to take the corner is not allowed. It wasnt allowed in Austria when it caused a collision and it wasnt allowed here either.

Niki said it post race; the problem is that Rosberg didnt even attempt to turn in but just continued straight on in an attempt to prevent his competitor to make the corner.

Had he attempted to turn in, perhaps locked up and then went straight, it nay have been deemed a racing incident. But the fact is, he consciously attempt to shut out a competitor AGAiN.

I guess full lock is not attempting to make the corner?

You are comparing apples and pears with Austria, too. Rosberg was leading there, and intentionally went wide to Block off Hamilton.
In Germany, he was coming from way back, and kept the wheels straight as you do when you want to brake late and heavily, then turned full lock into the corner.

Schumacher and Senna did this all the time and we applauded it. Rosberg does it, and simply by association of Austria(incorrectly too), he is penalised correctly?

If we look at a master of the art, Alonso, he cuts back for the early exit several times throughout the race to defend positions. So it's not as if the lead car has no options.

[sosic2121]

The level of degradation and and performance balancing of the tires in Hockenheim was perfect imo, shame it doesn't happen often, one tire lasting forever is too common these days.

The rules regarding the kind of forcefull driving that Rosberg did on Verstappen needs to be cleared up imo, personally i'm not onboard with any kind of moves like that but it's too arbitrary on when and where it's cool to force somebody out(it should be nowhere).

+1

[PlatinumZealot]

So what exactly is the rule?

I don't know the difference between Hamilton at turn 1 Montreal with Rosberg and Rosberg and Verstappen today. Zero consistency.

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[Sevach]

How so? He did it in Austria and was punished. He then did it again here and... guess what, he was penalized again. Cant be more straight forward and consistent.

Hamilton pushes him out in Japan and it's cool because... corner exit apparently.

Corner exit is a different topic and commonly accepted. It's really simple: driving straight whilst under full control of the car in order to prevent your competitor from being able to take the corner is not allowed. It wasnt allowed in Austria when it caused a collision and it wasnt allowed here either.

I know it's allowed, it's still some arbitrary "line" and BS, i'm with Montoya on this topic (search Montoya Schumacher Imola if you don't understand).

[PlatinumZealot]

Corner exit is a different topic and commonly accepted. It's really simple: driving straight whilst under full control of the car in order to prevent your competitor from being able to take the corner is not allowed. It wasnt allowed in Austria when it caused a collision and it wasnt allowed here either.

Niki said it post race; the problem is that Rosberg didnt even attempt to turn in but just continued straight on in an attempt to prevent his competitor to make the corner.

Had he attempted to turn in, perhaps locked up and then went straight, it nay have been deemed a racing incident. But the fact is, he consciously attempt to shut out a competitor AGAiN.

I guess full lock is not attempting to make the corner?

You are comparing apples and pears with Austria, too. Rosberg was leading there, and intentionally went wide to Block off Hamilton.
In Germany, he was coming from way back, and kept the wheels straight as you do when you want to brake late and heavily, then turned full lock into the corner.

Schumacher and Senna did this all the time and we applauded it. Rosberg does it, and simply by association of Austria(incorrectly too), he is penalised correctly?

If we look at a master of the art, Alonso, he cuts back for the early exit several times throughout the race to defend positions. So it's not as if the lead car has no options.

The issue is he attempted waaay too late and it was forced - not down to error or failure.
Even on the cut-back, there is mutual recognition that the inside driver hits the early apex (of the racing line - may not be the actual curb itself) and the outside driver hits the late apex. Rosberg didn't even try to hit the apex, not even a little wisp of smoke from the fronts - he was in full control running dead straight across the track to run Max off.

[bill shoe]

Hmmm. Just saw the Rosberg Verstapen thing now for the first time. We can argue about what should be allowed or not allowed, but there seems to be no more argument about whether standards are being enforced consistently.

Non-Rosberg drivers have all consistently said that the driver on the inside controls the corner, etc. Rosberg was both on the inside and ahead, so ...

EDIT: And I say this as a Hamilton fan. He is rocking towards another championship and he deserves it. But penalty for Rosberg? ...

[Phil]

Corner exit is a different topic and commonly accepted. It's really simple: driving straight whilst under full control of the car in order to prevent your competitor from being able to take the corner is not allowed. It wasnt allowed in Austria when it caused a collision and it wasnt allowed here either.

Niki said it post race; the problem is that Rosberg didnt even attempt to turn in but just continued straight on in an attempt to prevent his competitor to make the corner.

Had he attempted to turn in, perhaps locked up and then went straight, it nay have been deemed a racing incident. But the fact is, he consciously attempt to shut out a competitor AGAiN.

I guess full lock is not attempting to make the corner?

Read my post again. I never said he didnt attempt to make the corner. The issue is when he did it. Hint: if he had turned in earlier, less lock would have been necessary. Simple geometry.

[SparkyAMG]

There's not much Rosberg can complain about really because this type of maneuver has consistently resulted in a penalty this season. Austria (Rosberg), Silverstone (Vettel) and Hockenheim (Rosberg) were all similar in that the driver on the inside line ran wide on the corner entry and forced another driver off track or caused a collision before the apex of the corner.

On the contrary, overtakes/defensive moves where the driver on the inside line has made the corner and then run wide on the exit, causing the other driver to either back off or leave the track have consistently been deemed ok. This has been the case for years and years anyway, but the very first example of this in 2016 was actually when Rosberg ran across the track exiting T1 in Australia and forced Hamilton off. We've later seen Hamilton do the same in Canada. Neither incident was even investigated because this type of maneuver is widely accepted as firm but fair.

All the drivers know where the land lies in this regard, Nico has just been unsuccessfully pushing boundaries of late.