2023 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, Sep 22 - 24

[atanatizante]

LAW has beat TSU again and this time on his home turf and his own car! What more has he to do just to take someone seriously about his driving abilities and hire him for a seat next year? Does anyone hear me? (I don't imply to the old dude Dr. Marko)

[ringo]

Norris really mopped with piastri, +17s in the end. He'll have to work on his race pace, it happened a few times now.

Perez in shambles even more so than usual. I'm wondering how watertight his contract is for next year, at this point putting even a rookie in the car could not be worse. I don't think he'd be able to beat norris today even in a clean race.

Semi-dull race.

Piastri seems to be lacking race management. Should develop with time. Not the first time Norris had to be let past because of his race pace.

[rifrafs2kees]

A mistake from MB again today. If they haven't swapped places it was possible for Russel to keep Sainz behind them and they all saw that this is doable in the previous race so no excuses there.

Suzuka and singapore offer vastly different overtaking possibilities.

[ferrarifire]

Irrespective of it, they have gained 1 position to Ferrari and also stopped possibly lecrec overtaking piastri..at the end this is what matters and they ve limited the damage

A mistake from MB again today. If they haven't swapped places it was possible for Russel to keep Sainz behind them and they all saw that this is doable in the previous race so no excuses there.

[Tvetovnato]

What was Ferraris thinking with Sainz’ second stop? He must have had the gap to cover for the undercut?

[Stu]

LAW has beat TSU again and this time on his home turf and his own car! What more has he to do just to take someone seriously about his driving abilities and hire him for a seat next year? Does anyone hear me?

I would not be surprised if we see him in the RB20…

[GrizzleBoy]

George was right there they should have stayed where they were

Carlos only ever got close to Lewis because George didn't let Lewis by in the first place when asked.

During the time George was discussing with the team Carlos was right up the back of Lewis.

There was no way Russell could've kept both Ham and Sainz behind, so all it sis was give Carlos free time to the back of Lewis without using his tyres.

It only became a strategy they'd have had to do because George wasn't compliant straight away.

If anything, George just backed Ham into Sainz and Sainz being faster would've been past Lewis and up the road if George wasn't forced to listen to the team.

Nah. As we saw Hamilton wasn't fast enough to pass George and it would have just ended in a DRS train.

George didn't even have the traction to use the DRS Lewis gave him to fight Sainz. How do you assume he was going to be able to keep Lewis and a faster Sainz behind?

Either Sainz would get Lewis on traction elsewhere and then get George, or Lewis would get George and then Sainz would get George, which isnwhat happened.

[dialtone]

Irrespective of it, they have gained 1 position to Ferrari and also stopped possibly lecrec overtaking piastri..at the end this is what matters and they ve limited the damage

A mistake from MB again today. If they haven't swapped places it was possible for Russel to keep Sainz behind them and they all saw that this is doable in the previous race so no excuses there.

LEC had no chance with Piastri, Macca was faster. And sadly Ferrari cost the position to Sainz, they should have pitted him on the next laps of LEC, not sure why they made him wait so much.

[dialtone]

Carlos only ever got close to Lewis because George didn't let Lewis by in the first place when asked.

During the time George was discussing with the team Carlos was right up the back of Lewis.

There was no way Russell could've kept both Ham and Sainz behind, so all it sis was give Carlos free time to the back of Lewis without using his tyres.

It only became a strategy they'd have had to do because George wasn't compliant straight away.

If anything, George just backed Ham into Sainz and Sainz being faster would've been past Lewis and up the road if George wasn't forced to listen to the team.

Nah. As we saw Hamilton wasn't fast enough to pass George and it would have just ended in a DRS train.

George didn't even have the traction to use the DRS Lewis gave him to fight Sainz. How do you assume he was going to be able to keep Lewis and a faster Sainz behind?

Either Sainz would get Lewis on traction elsewhere and then get George, or Lewis would get George and then Sainz would get George, which isnwhat happened.

Go watch the replay, Russell had DRS on the straight when he got passed by Sainz.

[AR3-GP]

Carlos only ever got close to Lewis because George didn't let Lewis by in the first place when asked.

During the time George was discussing with the team Carlos was right up the back of Lewis.

There was no way Russell could've kept both Ham and Sainz behind, so all it sis was give Carlos free time to the back of Lewis without using his tyres.

It only became a strategy they'd have had to do because George wasn't compliant straight away.

If anything, George just backed Ham into Sainz and Sainz being faster would've been past Lewis and up the road if George wasn't forced to listen to the team.

Nah. As we saw Hamilton wasn't fast enough to pass George and it would have just ended in a DRS train.

George didn't even have the traction to use the DRS Lewis gave him to fight Sainz. How do you assume he was going to be able to keep Lewis and a faster Sainz behind?

He was keeping Hamilton behind just fine before the switch operation. He had to get out of the throttle big time just to let hamilton through. He could have held on for 3 more laps.

[ringo]

Russel was going nowhere with the 1 stop.
He could not keep Hamilton and Sainz behind.
Sainz would have got past both Lewis and Russel.
Hamilton did a hard fought race today after Sergio Crashez knocked him and knocked everyone else.
I guess russel poked his nose in a closing gap on the outside of Lewis.
Lewis also took back his lost postion to russel on the back straight really quicky.
Then there was the alonso and ocon double pass. A lot of fighting for 5th. Mecedes not looking good.
Ferrari are just marginally better than mercedes. But consistently these past few races mercedes have no answer for them.

Mclaren a clear 2nd best car to the 20s ahead rocket ship RB19.

[ferrarifire]

Glaring error by Ferrari .Sainz could ve overtaken Hamilton on track if Russel is not playing long stint .. irrespective of it , very defensive strategy by Ferrari

What was Ferraris thinking with Sainz’ second stop? He must have had the gap to cover for the undercut?

[dialtone]

Anyone thinking that somehow that Merc having DRS was going to protect from Sainz is not facing reality. Sainz passed Russell with both DRSes open.

If Merc didn't swap Sainz would pass both, he was 1s/lap faster than Ham and 2s/lap than Russell.

[Tvetovnato]

Glaring error by Ferrari .Sainz could ve overtaken Hamilton on track if Russel is not playing long stint .. irrespective of it , very defensive strategy by Ferrari

What was Ferraris thinking with Sainz’ second stop? He must have had the gap to cover for the undercut?

Or rather an unnecessarily offensive strategy then, as Sainz had to overtake Hamilton on track instead of through the undercut..? Very strange decision.

[search]

What was Ferraris thinking with Sainz’ second stop? He must have had the gap to cover for the undercut?

just. It would have needed a perfect stop, but yeah, they probably should have brought him in