2024 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, May 24 - 26

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falonso81
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Re: 2024 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, May 24 - 26

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Judging by Charles abysmal luck in Monaco, it is not out of the question that they will not be able to repair that barrier in time. Imagine if the race does not resume and no points awarded.

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Zynerji wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:30
michl420 wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:28
Hard tyre to the end?!
If the first lap didn't count for position change, I don't see how it can count for tyre usage.
But the lap count, and red flag is always tire change.

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search wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:30
Vanja #66 wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:25
Also well done to follow the rules on red flag restart order, no laps were completed before red flag
which rule are you referring to? The one I know says

"In all cases the order will be taken at the last point at which it was possible to determine the position of all cars. All such cars will then be permitted to resume the sprint session or the race"

When Grosjean went up in flames, they used mini sectors to determine the order. In other cases they used the normal sectors. Today none at all.
Laps need to be completed before red flag to establish an order. Otherwise back to grid order, minus cars that can't continue
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Vanja #66 wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:33
search wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:30
Vanja #66 wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:25
Also well done to follow the rules on red flag restart order, no laps were completed before red flag
which rule are you referring to? The one I know says

"In all cases the order will be taken at the last point at which it was possible to determine the position of all cars. All such cars will then be permitted to resume the sprint session or the race"

When Grosjean went up in flames, they used mini sectors to determine the order. In other cases they used the normal sectors. Today none at all.
Laps need to be completed before red flag to establish an order
I can't find anything like that in the rulebook

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chrisc90 wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:32
michl420 wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:31
But Perez give zero space. For me defnitly not 100% Magnussen.
Perez definitely didnt squeeze. Track narrowed with the barrier on the right. Perez didnt move over right at all
He did not move, but he had at least 2 car-width space on the left.

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Vanja #66 wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:33
search wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:30
Vanja #66 wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:25
Also well done to follow the rules on red flag restart order, no laps were completed before red flag
which rule are you referring to? The one I know says

"In all cases the order will be taken at the last point at which it was possible to determine the position of all cars. All such cars will then be permitted to resume the sprint session or the race"

When Grosjean went up in flames, they used mini sectors to determine the order. In other cases they used the normal sectors. Today none at all.
Laps need to be completed before red flag to establish an order
They explained it on viaplay that all cars need to be through the first sector to establish an order. Not so much finishing 1 lap. But not all cars did ofcourse.

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michl420 wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:34
chrisc90 wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:32
michl420 wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:31
But Perez give zero space. For me defnitly not 100% Magnussen.
Perez definitely didnt squeeze. Track narrowed with the barrier on the right. Perez didnt move over right at all
He did not move, but he had at least 2 car-width space on the left.
They are not on civil roads to let cars pass by. :lol:

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With all the mini-sectors and timing lines, I find it impossible how a order cant be established.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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search wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:34
Vanja #66 wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:33
search wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:30


which rule are you referring to? The one I know says

"In all cases the order will be taken at the last point at which it was possible to determine the position of all cars. All such cars will then be permitted to resume the sprint session or the race"

When Grosjean went up in flames, they used mini sectors to determine the order. In other cases they used the normal sectors. Today none at all.
Laps need to be completed before red flag to establish an order
I can't find anything like that in the rulebook
It is a normal red flag. Last minisector normal. The question is, did zhou bring this back to saint devot.

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Zhou wasn't through the first sector before the red flag.

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Zynerji wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:30
michl420 wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:28
Hard tyre to the end?!
If the first lap didn't count for position change, I don't see how it can count for tyre usage.
It counted, they're using last sector which everyone finished and that's start line where everyone had certain tire compound which they'll change and that means they used 2 compounds.

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Small floor damage to Piastri.

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falonso81
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I believe Zhou may have not crossed the timing line for sector 1 before the red flag was shown. In that case Sainz owes him a lot! On another note, i fear Piastri will go full send on Leclerc and possibly will cause a crash. He risked so much at the start with Sainz and was already trying to divebomb Leclerc at the first opportunity.

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search wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:30
Vanja #66 wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:25
Also well done to follow the rules on red flag restart order, no laps were completed before red flag
which rule are you referring to? The one I know says

"In all cases the order will be taken at the last point at which it was possible to determine the position of all cars. All such cars will then be permitted to resume the sprint session or the race"

When Grosjean went up in flames, they used mini sectors to determine the order. In other cases they used the normal sectors. Today none at all.
Another situation where the FIA/stewarding is wildly inconsistent.

Funnily enough there is no reason for them to be inconsistent about the restart order since the order is established at every mini sector with the electronic timing system.

Seems clear cut to me.

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Sieper wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:35
Vanja #66 wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:33
search wrote:
26 May 2024, 15:30


which rule are you referring to? The one I know says

"In all cases the order will be taken at the last point at which it was possible to determine the position of all cars. All such cars will then be permitted to resume the sprint session or the race"

When Grosjean went up in flames, they used mini sectors to determine the order. In other cases they used the normal sectors. Today none at all.
Laps need to be completed before red flag to establish an order
They explained it on viaplay that all cars need to be through the first sector to establish an order. Not so much finishing 1 lap. But not all cars did ofcourse.
as I mentioned above, in the past they have also used mini sectors for this, and "the order will be taken at the last point at which it was possible to determine the position of all cars" would still allow this.

Everyone but Zhou had completed S1 before the red flag btw. So they probably didn't use it because he was stcuk behind the crash

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