2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[SSJ4]

find it interesting mclaren have gone aggressive with anti dive front like aston did last year.

but with mclaren having push pull and aston having push push

lets hope mercedes having made the rear suspension better this year. couldn't bare with a repeat of us chewing through tyres during every race

[diffuser]

find it interesting mclaren have gone aggressive with anti dive front like aston did last year.

but with mclaren having push pull and aston having push push

lets hope mercedes having made the rear suspension better this year. couldn't bare with a repeat of us chewing through tyres during every race

pretty sure McLaren had a Pull front last year.

[SSJ4]

find it interesting mclaren have gone aggressive with anti dive front like aston did last year.

but with mclaren having push pull and aston having push push

lets hope mercedes having made the rear suspension better this year. couldn't bare with a repeat of us chewing through tyres during every race

pretty sure McLaren had a Pull front last year.

https://i.ibb.co/MynXmT3J/IMG-3930.jpg

yeah i got i confused.
mclaren and red had pull push
mercedes and aston martin had push push

[Sherrinford]

find it interesting mclaren have gone aggressive with anti dive front like aston did last year.

but with mclaren having push pull and aston having push push

lets hope mercedes having made the rear suspension better this year. couldn't bare with a repeat of us chewing through tyres during every race

pretty sure McLaren had a Pull front last year.

https://i.ibb.co/MynXmT3J/IMG-3930.jpg

The Aston ones were really extreme, they even had the crease

[Chuckjr]

What I find quite interesting, coming back to topic, is that the "spanish camp" (on top ALO himself on DAZN for example) downplays every chance for months now to have success in 2025. Latest example Roberto Merhi.

On the other side there aren't sources/claims from the UK who suggest that 2025 is a write off.


Curious what's actually the case. Somehow I have the big hope that the "spanish camp" deliberately play things down, that people are positively surprised by AMR and ALO can shine here or there.

If you could be guided by something, you should read non verbal communication from Alonso. I don't remember a single event where he can hide when he's excited or he's disappointed. If he's quite neutral, we can assume that they will not be in the bottom of the grid, but also not fighting with the top four teams.

Absolute 100% truth. He nor Lewis can hide their true feelings about a car.

[peewon]

What I find quite interesting, coming back to topic, is that the "spanish camp" (on top ALO himself on DAZN for example) downplays every chance for months now to have success in 2025. Latest example Roberto Merhi.

On the other side there aren't sources/claims from the UK who suggest that 2025 is a write off.


Curious what's actually the case. Somehow I have the big hope that the "spanish camp" deliberately play things down, that people are positively surprised by AMR and ALO can shine here or there.

If you could be guided by something, you should read non verbal communication from Alonso. I don't remember a single event where he can hide when he's excited or he's disappointed. If he's quite neutral, we can assume that they will not be in the bottom of the grid, but also not fighting with the top four teams.

Absolute 100% truth. He nor Lewis can hide their true feelings about a car.

I've found Alonso's feelings to be not representative of the future. Rather, in his AM stint, hes been reactive to what happens out on track. He was overly enthusiastic and supportive at the start of 2023, even when AM was making costly strategy mistakes like at Monaco, because he hadn't tasted success in so long. He also assumed there would be a linear progression of the car which never happened.

On the flip side, when it became clear the car wasn't improving in the latter half of the season and in '24, he became quite despondent and temperamental probably thinking his last chance was slipping away. Until....they signed Newey.

So I think Alonso and his camp are now pinning their hopes on Newey and therefore looking at '26. Which is why you see a very neutral mood towards '25 as they don't have much expectations. If something positive happens, it'll be a bonus.

[Otromundo]

If you could be guided by something, you should read non verbal communication from Alonso. I don't remember a single event where he can hide when he's excited or he's disappointed. If he's quite neutral, we can assume that they will not be in the bottom of the grid, but also not fighting with the top four teams.

Absolute 100% truth. He nor Lewis can hide their true feelings about a car.

I've found Alonso's feelings to be not representative of the future. Rather, in his AM stint, hes been reactive to what happens out on track. He was overly enthusiastic and supportive at the start of 2023, even when AM was making costly strategy mistakes like at Monaco, because he hadn't tasted success in so long. He also assumed there would be a linear progression of the car which never happened.

On the flip side, when it became clear the car wasn't improving in the latter half of the season and in '24, he became quite despondent and temperamental probably thinking his last chance was slipping away. Until....they signed Newey.

So I think Alonso and his camp are now pinning their hopes on Newey and therefore looking at '26. Which is why you see a very neutral mood towards '25 as they don't have much expectations. If something positive happens, it'll be a bonus.

Last year, especially the second half of the season, was like a splash of cold water for ALO.

That's why it's better to start the season with a less enthusiastic attitude.

I also think that Newey has always held ALO in high regard. They have liked each other for a long time. And this partly guarantees that he will get his chance. I don't think Newey would have arrived without having a trusted pilot.

We will see. I'm already looking forward to seeing ALO's body language, eyes and radio conversations. He is already an old fox, but he doesn't know how to hide his emotions. Thank goodness.

[peewon]

Absolute 100% truth. He nor Lewis can hide their true feelings about a car.

I've found Alonso's feelings to be not representative of the future. Rather, in his AM stint, hes been reactive to what happens out on track. He was overly enthusiastic and supportive at the start of 2023, even when AM was making costly strategy mistakes like at Monaco, because he hadn't tasted success in so long. He also assumed there would be a linear progression of the car which never happened.

On the flip side, when it became clear the car wasn't improving in the latter half of the season and in '24, he became quite despondent and temperamental probably thinking his last chance was slipping away. Until....they signed Newey.

So I think Alonso and his camp are now pinning their hopes on Newey and therefore looking at '26. Which is why you see a very neutral mood towards '25 as they don't have much expectations. If something positive happens, it'll be a bonus.

Last year, especially the second half of the season, was like a splash of cold water for ALO.

That's why it's better to start the season with a less enthusiastic attitude.

I also think that Newey has always held ALO in high regard. They have liked each other for a long time. And this partly guarantees that he will get his chance. I don't think Newey would have arrived without having a trusted pilot.

We will see. I'm already looking forward to seeing ALO's body language, eyes and radio conversations. He is already an old fox, but he doesn't know how to hide his emotions. Thank goodness.

I think theres two types of teams here. Mclaren, even when they are getting podiums, frequently make statements about the next track not suiting them, etc. They publicly lower expectations whereas they are probably more optimistic internally based on the results and performance. AM and Alonso, as ChuckJr said, are very transparent emotionally. They are not only downplaying it externally, I genuinely dont think they are that excited over '25 as of now. This maybe due to uncertainty about their performance.

[Sherrinford]

I've found Alonso's feelings to be not representative of the future. Rather, in his AM stint, hes been reactive to what happens out on track. He was overly enthusiastic and supportive at the start of 2023, even when AM was making costly strategy mistakes like at Monaco, because he hadn't tasted success in so long. He also assumed there would be a linear progression of the car which never happened.

On the flip side, when it became clear the car wasn't improving in the latter half of the season and in '24, he became quite despondent and temperamental probably thinking his last chance was slipping away. Until....they signed Newey.

So I think Alonso and his camp are now pinning their hopes on Newey and therefore looking at '26. Which is why you see a very neutral mood towards '25 as they don't have much expectations. If something positive happens, it'll be a bonus.

Last year, especially the second half of the season, was like a splash of cold water for ALO.

That's why it's better to start the season with a less enthusiastic attitude.

I also think that Newey has always held ALO in high regard. They have liked each other for a long time. And this partly guarantees that he will get his chance. I don't think Newey would have arrived without having a trusted pilot.

We will see. I'm already looking forward to seeing ALO's body language, eyes and radio conversations. He is already an old fox, but he doesn't know how to hide his emotions. Thank goodness.

I think theres two types of teams here. Mclaren, even when they are getting podiums, frequently make statements about the next track not suiting them, etc. They publicly lower expectations whereas they are probably more optimistic internally based on the results and performance. AM and Alonso, as ChuckJr said, are very transparent emotionally. They are not only downplaying it externally, I genuinely dont think they are that excited over '25 as of now. This maybe due to uncertainty about their performance.

I still think that bringing updates for 2025 without fighting for the world championship is quite useless.So if they said they will make updates for me it means they have a good base

[continuum16]

Last year, especially the second half of the season, was like a splash of cold water for ALO.

That's why it's better to start the season with a less enthusiastic attitude.

I also think that Newey has always held ALO in high regard. They have liked each other for a long time. And this partly guarantees that he will get his chance. I don't think Newey would have arrived without having a trusted pilot.

We will see. I'm already looking forward to seeing ALO's body language, eyes and radio conversations. He is already an old fox, but he doesn't know how to hide his emotions. Thank goodness.

I think theres two types of teams here. Mclaren, even when they are getting podiums, frequently make statements about the next track not suiting them, etc. They publicly lower expectations whereas they are probably more optimistic internally based on the results and performance. AM and Alonso, as ChuckJr said, are very transparent emotionally. They are not only downplaying it externally, I genuinely dont think they are that excited over '25 as of now. This maybe due to uncertainty about their performance.

I still think that bringing updates for 2025 without fighting for the world championship is quite useless.So if they said they will make updates for me it means they have a good base

I would also imagine they would want to correlate the new WT to track and so that might lead them to work on updates a little more. That being said I’m not actually 100% sure what the WT status is and when they said will be actually ready. Maybe it will be all ‘26 work in the new WT.

[NAPI10]

Last year, especially the second half of the season, was like a splash of cold water for ALO.

That's why it's better to start the season with a less enthusiastic attitude.

I also think that Newey has always held ALO in high regard. They have liked each other for a long time. And this partly guarantees that he will get his chance. I don't think Newey would have arrived without having a trusted pilot.

We will see. I'm already looking forward to seeing ALO's body language, eyes and radio conversations. He is already an old fox, but he doesn't know how to hide his emotions. Thank goodness.

I think theres two types of teams here. Mclaren, even when they are getting podiums, frequently make statements about the next track not suiting them, etc. They publicly lower expectations whereas they are probably more optimistic internally based on the results and performance. AM and Alonso, as ChuckJr said, are very transparent emotionally. They are not only downplaying it externally, I genuinely dont think they are that excited over '25 as of now. This maybe due to uncertainty about their performance.

I still think that bringing updates for 2025 without fighting for the world championship is quite useless.So if they said they will make updates for me it means they have a good base

I am not going to measure team's success based on construction standing or relative performance of the car in the 'Season 25'.AM's success will be measured based on gradual & visible improvement in every department of the racing over the season; with new organizational structure & upgraded facility.
This is going to be the foundation for launching WC winning challenge from 'Season 26' onwards. I don't care about AM's starting position on the grid at least for first few races.

[Sherrinford]

I think theres two types of teams here. Mclaren, even when they are getting podiums, frequently make statements about the next track not suiting them, etc. They publicly lower expectations whereas they are probably more optimistic internally based on the results and performance. AM and Alonso, as ChuckJr said, are very transparent emotionally. They are not only downplaying it externally, I genuinely dont think they are that excited over '25 as of now. This maybe due to uncertainty about their performance.

I still think that bringing updates for 2025 without fighting for the world championship is quite useless.So if they said they will make updates for me it means they have a good base

I am not going to measure team's success based on construction standing or relative performance of the car in the 'Season 25'.AM's success will be measured based on gradual & visible improvement in every department of the racing over the season; with new organizational structure & upgraded facility.
This is going to be the foundation for launching WC winning challenge from 'Season 26' onwards. I don't care about AM's starting position on the grid at least for first few races.

McLaren is fighting for the championship bypassing all this stuff of organizational structures. In 2023 with less technicians than now they were fighting for podiums. What do I mean?The structure is already there, now we need the performance, that's the truth.

[Sherrinford]

I think theres two types of teams here. Mclaren, even when they are getting podiums, frequently make statements about the next track not suiting them, etc. They publicly lower expectations whereas they are probably more optimistic internally based on the results and performance. AM and Alonso, as ChuckJr said, are very transparent emotionally. They are not only downplaying it externally, I genuinely dont think they are that excited over '25 as of now. This maybe due to uncertainty about their performance.

I still think that bringing updates for 2025 without fighting for the world championship is quite useless.So if they said they will make updates for me it means they have a good base

I would also imagine they would want to correlate the new WT to track and so that might lead them to work on updates a little more. That being said I’m not actually 100% sure what the WT status is and when they said will be actually ready. Maybe it will be all ‘26 work in the new WT.

I don't know how useful it could be considering the change in regulations. Teams that had a great correlation in 2021, in 2022 totally the opposite. So no, I don't think they will lead to updates for that

[KimiRai]

McLaren is fighting for the championship bypassing all this stuff of organizational structures. In 2023 with less technicians than now they were fighting for podiums. What do I mean?The structure is already there, now we need the performance, that's the truth.

McLaren under Andrea Stella revised their organizational structure. It probably is one of the reasons they are doing well now, they have an efficient structure that works. Cowell also saw some issues and is doing the same. I don't know what you are talking about.

[KDBNSI]

Aston Martin has signed 9 sponsors in the last 4 months. Maaden, Xerox, Glenfiddich, Pepperstone, ARM, Atlas Air, Elemis, Nike and Coinbase. Is there any reason why thez are adding so many sponsors to their list. From what I have heard, there is not that much to expect performacewise at the start of the season. Some sponsors like Coinbase are hzping up the partnership with words like: „a season to remeber “ or something