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Following the complaints of a number of teams regarding the flexibility of the Red Bull Racing and Ferrari front wings, the FIA has moved to increase the requirements regarding the strength of the front wings to prevent them from flexing too much.
It was actually quoted in the press that the front wing generates up to 500Kg / 5000N of force, so the FIA test only covers a very small amount of load compared to what the wing will actually experience. Hence the room for cheating.fausto cedros wrote:i don't think that at speed front wing can generate much more than 200 kilos of downforce.Stated that i think that the rb wing flexes much more than the 20mm allowed by the linear test, this will at least equalize the flexing allowed for everybody. Taking into account the drag and the aero moment as well, i rate it unlikely those can provide such a contribute to still allow the bending and pass such a test.Moreover, noone knows if they'll test the wing alone or the wing and the nosecone attached to the car...Anyway let's wait and see.
How can you guys consistently call it cheating. They passed the tests as much as every other team did.myurr wrote:
It was actually quoted in the press that the front wing generates up to 500Kg / 5000N of force, so the FIA test only covers a very small amount of load compared to what the wing will actually experience. Hence the room for cheating.
Simple - the rules stipulate that the aero parts of the car must not move, and that includes flexing. There is a subsequent rule that spells out the test that the FIA will use to judge whether teams are in compliance, and that they reserve the right to change the test at their discretion.ecapox wrote:How can you guys consistently call it cheating. They passed the tests as much as every other team did.myurr wrote:
It was actually quoted in the press that the front wing generates up to 500Kg / 5000N of force, so the FIA test only covers a very small amount of load compared to what the wing will actually experience. Hence the room for cheating.
myurr wrote:It was actually quoted in the press that the front wing generates up to 500Kg / 5000N of force, so the FIA test only covers a very small amount of load compared to what the wing will actually experience. Hence the room for cheating.fausto cedros wrote:i don't think that at speed front wing can generate much more than 200 kilos of downforce.Stated that i think that the rb wing flexes much more than the 20mm allowed by the linear test, this will at least equalize the flexing allowed for everybody. Taking into account the drag and the aero moment as well, i rate it unlikely those can provide such a contribute to still allow the bending and pass such a test.Moreover, noone knows if they'll test the wing alone or the wing and the nosecone attached to the car...Anyway let's wait and see.
The rule stipulates that a specific aero part of a car may not flex more than a given amount. This amount is tested by specific load tests on the parts in question. Everything flexes, the legality is based on how much it flexes using the prescribed testing.myurr wrote:
Simple - the rules stipulate that the aero parts of the car must not move, and that includes flexing. There is a subsequent rule that spells out the test that the FIA will use to judge whether teams are in compliance, and that they reserve the right to change the test at their discretion.
Their test has proved inadequate as Red Bull's wing is clearly flexing way beyond that which would be reasonable. Red Bull are clearly running an intentionally illegal part, also known as cheating.
Exactly, this imo is no different to Brawn last year interpreting the rules to allow a Double Diffuser - It's simply clever engineering solutions being applied to maximise car performance and that is what F1 is all about!ecapox wrote:How can you guys consistently call it cheating. They passed the tests as much as every other team did.myurr wrote:
It was actually quoted in the press that the front wing generates up to 500Kg / 5000N of force, so the FIA test only covers a very small amount of load compared to what the wing will actually experience. Hence the room for cheating.
The Rules also specify that diffusers should look like this:myurr wrote:Simple - the rules stipulate that the aero parts of the car must not move, and that includes flexing. There is a subsequent rule that spells out the test that the FIA will use to judge whether teams are in compliance, and that they reserve the right to change the test at their discretion.ecapox wrote:How can you guys consistently call it cheating. They passed the tests as much as every other team did.myurr wrote:
It was actually quoted in the press that the front wing generates up to 500Kg / 5000N of force, so the FIA test only covers a very small amount of load compared to what the wing will actually experience. Hence the room for cheating.
Their test has proved inadequate as Red Bull's wing is clearly flexing way beyond that which would be reasonable. Red Bull are clearly running an intentionally illegal part, also known as cheating.
Sorry, i have been not that precise in my thought.kalinka wrote:myurr wrote:
It was actually quoted in the press that the front wing generates up to 500Kg / 5000N of force, so the FIA test only covers a very small amount of load compared to what the wing will actually experience. Hence the room for cheating.
Hmmmmm. Yes, it is definitely layup methods as the Swede says but it's not just the wing, which appears to flex when the car is in a corner and where the outside edge gets closer to the ground.Scuderia_Russ wrote:
Nothing wierd. Its just a trick of the light. Look at the markings on the nose, the bull, the roundel with the number, the base of the antennae, the LG logo. They are all static. Still. Not moving.segedunum wrote:There has to be a secondary effect of the nose rising or lowering though and that picture above just adds fuel to the fire as to how they're achieving it. The front end seems to move perfectly in relation to the wing, suspension and tyre so there is something weird going on.
