Abu Dhabi GP 2010 - Yas Marina Circuit

[Tim.Wright]

I hate these arguments... But anyway, I cant let this slide.

Here is the unbiased answer. If you are slow and off the racing line , you are 100% responsible for getting out of the way of someone travelling fast and on the racing line. Nothing to discuss

No names mentioned, figure out how it applies to the above situation yourself.

Tim

[autogyro]

Was Massa on a hot lap?

[komninosm]

One things for sure, this race will go all wrong tomorrow i feel, but will go all right for someone somewhere.

Turn 1 will be carnage, with everyone down to P7 charging flat out. Im kind of expecting a shoker at turn 1. VET and ALO could be the ones to take each other off, but same could be said about either of those two and HAM as well. BUT could escape free, WEB and MAS to have a small tangle posibly.

Im gonna go for a really weird, and bizarre MSC win. WEB to win the championship is what i would like, but feel that ALO is gonna get it.

Ham-a-lot's laughable attempt at a psych-out:

Q: You said that you would have to be aggressive this weekend…
LH: It’s very simple. I have nothing to lose and everything to gain. It’s like a one-off race. In karting we have the world championship in one race and in a way you have that tomorrow. I simply know that I want to win the race and we want to get as many points as possible for the constructors’ championship. I don’t have to worry about who’s around me - they all have to worry about who’s around them!

Well, ... I cringed.


Massa as Gollum:

Felipe Massa (6th, Q3 - 1m 40.202s)
“On my last out lap, I came up behind so much traffic and it was all very confusing, especially as Hamilton, who was ahead of me, had slowed a lot at Turn 14. At the end of the session, I was called to the Stewards to discuss this incident and also the one with Hamilton again in Q2: this sort of thing can happen as can be seen from the fact that no action was taken. I reached the exit of the final corner, I saw the red light and, instinctively, I thought I had not got there in time to do the flying lap. In fact, I had made it, but I did not push immediately as hard as I could have done, so I came back to the pits when I realised I would not have improved my time.

Heh, oh it was the "other" incident... Preciousss.


Alonso the Just(ified):

Q: (Ian Gordon - News of the World) Fernando, returning to a theme, Max Mosley said today that if you win the title by less than seven points you will not deserve it. If you finish third tomorrow and Sebastian’s first, you will win it by six points. Will you deserve the title?
FA: Yes.

Q: (Ian Gordon - News of the World) Can you say why?
FA: I think that is enough talk about this. All that matters, at this moment, Saturday after qualifying in the final race is that we concentrate now.

Heh, when Max (the Terrible) calls you out...

[feynman]

Was Massa on a hot lap?

negative

Well, ... I cringed.

The state of this thread, believe me, we are all cringing.

[komninosm]

Hamilton did nothing wrong.
He had 2 options:

go through the corner and let Massa wait.

or come to a complete stop.

correct?

Massa was wrong. Who overtakes on an outlap in that manner?
Hamilton was in the braking zone, massa should slow and wait till Hamilton clears the turns. or be caution going in with him.

Massa had better options:

slow down and let lewis through, you're on an outlap what the hell are you racing to?

take the turn very wide and give enough room; your not racing and if you were you would be penalized for pushing a driver off track.

Massa is up to no good, that was a swipe to get Lewis out. Either that or he really has visions problems with his left eye.


It's best we stop discussing this, there are simply people out there who delight in blaming Hamilton for any and every thing, worse if he's in the spot light.

He's in P2 and he's going to potentially screw with the championship for any of the 3 contenders, just sit back and watch the show Hami Haters.

Let THE BOSS shake things up as only he can; quit your whining and be grateful he's going to give you a race for the history books.

Heh, I was going to joke about you coming to blame Massa's injury as usual, but I got sidetracked. Good post overall though. Even though it will fall on mostly deaf ears (and blind eyes) here.

Was Massa on a hot lap?

Erm, no. They both were just out of the pits and Ham was informed there was a fast car on a fast lap and went to the side to let it pass, then tried to make the corner. Massa was the one with full visibility. He just wanted to pass Hamilton in their outlaps. Bad form. Sour grapes.

I hate these arguments... But anyway, I cant let this slide.

Here is the unbiased answer. If you are slow and off the racing line , you are 100% responsible for getting out of the way of someone travelling fast and on the racing line. Nothing to discuss

No names mentioned, figure out how it applies to the above situation yourself.

Tim

It applies as follows. You exit the pits and let a car on a fast lap by you, by slowing down. The car behind you also on an outlap decides to take advantage and race you and overtake you even though it's qualifying and not race day and you're both on outlaps. Maybe even take you out while he's at it since he hates you for events 2 years ago, plus it helps his team a minuscule amount to win the championship.

[feynman]

Just out of idle curiosity ...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON-n2JbtqA8[/youtube]

Non-embedded (slightly bigger) version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON-n2JbtqA8


Comparison of 2009 KERS pole lap (1m 40.948s) against a 2010 blown-diffuser pole lap (1m 39.393s)

Remarkable to see the evolution over one year (1.5 secs), especially considering the 2009 pole was itself not too shabby, being 0.6 faster than anyone else at the time.

Relentless engineering, magic.


(fyi: Repective car-engine audio is hard panned left and right).

[ell66]

Just out of idle curiosity ...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON-n2JbtqA8[/youtube]

Non-embedded (slightly bigger) version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON-n2JbtqA8


Comparison of 2009 KERS pole lap (1m 40.948s) against a 2010 blown-diffuser pole lap (1m 39.393s)

Remarkable to see the evolution over one year (1.5 secs), especially considering the 2009 pole was itself not too shabby, being 0.6 faster than anyone else at the time.

Relentless engineering, magic.


(fyi: Repective car-engine audio is hard panned left and right).

no offense, but thats a terrible comparison when you consider the drivers qualified on race fuel last year...

[ell66]

You should be worried about your boy Vettel's tyres. The redbull is better than the ferrari on the tyres, but still vettel did a good amount of laps on them.

I think that especially at the start those tires will benefit the Red Bulls as they will a heat up a tad bit better than fresh tires. Secondly, graining is not only dependant on how many laps a tire has done but how many laps it is consistantly pushed. Tire degradation is not the issue in Abu Dhabi.

Thus it does not necessary mean that the RBs will suffer from graining earlier than the others!

eh?
nobodys tyres will be fresh, but you can be sure the redbulls are more worn....and if tyres arnt pushed in qualy then when the hel are they?
as for the comment on tyre degredation...youve obviously paid zero attention this weekend like the majority in this thread. theres talk of teams 2 stopping tomorrow...the options and harder tyres are graining.

[paipa]

Comparison of 2009 KERS pole lap (1m 40.948s) against a 2010 blown-diffuser pole lap (1m 39.393s)

Remarkable to see the evolution over one year (1.5 secs), especially considering the 2009 pole was itself not too shabby, being 0.6 faster than anyone else at the time.

The 2009 pole lap was run with race fuel onboard. Hamilton did a 1:39.695 in Q2 so they improved by 3 tenths at most. Especially considering that they never give it all in Q2.

[wesley123]

3 tenths is simply said nothing

[feynman]

To be honest, I was more worried about the lack of stripe on Hamilton's tyres, and trying to remember what the story was with last years tyres, wasn't thinking about fuel.

Either way, just a bit of fun.

[godlameroso]

Is Petrov starting on Hards?

[andartop]

Here we have one of the most exciting qualifying sessions of the season, and what a disappointment this thread is full of BS! After discussing the incident in Monza from several years ago, we're back to whose fault a non-incident that had no consequences was! Both Hammy lovers and Hammy haters please give it a rest! Go read the post qualifying press conference instead, it's really interesting.

For tomorrow, I'm afraid it looks like another start to finish walk in the park for Vettel. That was quite a lap he did there, and we all know boy he can win when he starts from pole. Pity he needs more than a win to get the title! Still, he did a good job there and made Webber look totally like a fool.

Interesting to see the McLarens pace in the race. Can't help but feel they will play a role in the WDC, possibly helping Alonso by taking away points from Webber, provided no one crashes.

Alonso kept his cool, read his comments on the post-quali interview about managing the tires in his last lap in Q3. With the Championship up for grabs, in the final race of the season, the Bulls and Maccas looking faster, traffic all around and time running out to put together a final effort for a good qualifying lap, apparently Alonso just took it easy with the tires in Sector 1 so as to give it all in Sector 3 where a lot of time could be won/lost, and he pulled it off! Like him or hate him, admittedly Alonso has done more than anyone else in the second half of this year to get this title. Take away his 7 points if you will, then have a look at the Constructors' standings and Drivers' standings side by side, and it's quite obvious which of the 4 contenders has actually performed overall better than his car should allow.

Webber should be really disappointed with 5th, but it's going to be a long race tomorrow, and he will be praying for a first corner incident with the guys in front. I definitely wouldn't rule him out yet, but possible incidents and safety cars aside he will have to drive the race of his life to get the title, which is as it should be!

Last but not least, Button and Massa finally back up in there, interesting to see whether they might try to keep away of the 4 contenders so as not to interfere or try and interfere as much as possible to make others' lives harder.

Can't wait for tomorrow. Any one of the 3 in with a real chance will be totally worth this title, may the best (and luckiest) one win!

[ESPImperium]

I just wonder if Red Bull will have all the mechanics arround the rear of the car on the grid walk being the last race and all???

[andrew]

Only if an engine breaks and the car needs a push.

Seriously though, they probably will. It's all about pretending that there is something to hide and creating an image to try and out psych the other teams and drivers with feelings of "oh no they must have some amazing device, we can't possibly beat them." It's all just a performance. A bit like McLaren of a few years ago hiding the front of their car with boxes over the wing.