2012 Canadian GP - Gilles Villeneuve

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FrukostScones wrote:I think X meant the engine, and the Renault engine is not weak, it maybe was weaker due to EBD but now the engine is maybe more powerful than Ferrari or Mercedes. I think there is no real differnce in HP between the engines. Also Renault engine was said the be the most efficient one, don't know if that is still true.
Isn't the Renault engine better on stop-and-go tracks like Bahrain?

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Chuckjr wrote:Wow those interview video clips are telling. The confidence differential between Alonso and Hamilton is palpable. Alonso seemed as if he felt he had time in hand for race pace and had total confidence in his team/car, whereas Ham seemed to have zero confidence in his prospects for race day. Jenson seemed to be dumbfounded about the falling pace of his car with no idea where the time is going. What the heck is going on at Macca? Good grief. 
I remember it mentioned when Button first signed with Mclaren, that because of the huge difference in his driving style compared to Lewis, it would leave the team with two different paths to develop their car. Effectively reducing the possible development of the car by half. I believe that is whats wrong at Mclaren now. In real terms they only have one driver to get feedback about how components work at the very limit. Jenson drives well within the limits so has no clue how the car performs when pushed to the absolute max(ie Lewis).

How much resourse is currently being squandered on making the car drivable for Jenson? Its a sad picture.
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I think too much is being made of the driving style issue. Differences in driving styles are the last 5% of the picture at best.

McLaren has a history of producing a good-but-not-great car for the last 15 years. Now you're saying the two drivers are the problem? There's a much better explanation.

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minyeoh wrote:
n smikle wrote:
xpensive wrote:Amazing how Vettel can be on pole on a power-track like Montreal, considering being at least 40 Hp down on the McLarens, not to mention perhaps 70 less than MGP/AMG. Right JET?

come on now... :roll:

Renault has been making F1 engines for decades.. they haven't missed a trick when it comes to horsepower for the last 3 years.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think he's talking about redbull's kers having less HP than the other teams
Their KERS have the same power. They were only under powered for the three (or four?) first races of 2011. That was with one battery pack. Now they have at least 2 battery packs. RedBull are fully powered, and they would be foolish not to be with now increased minimum weight and close competition like this.
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clarkiesyeah wrote:
Chuckjr wrote:Wow those interview video clips are telling. The confidence differential between Alonso and Hamilton is palpable. Alonso seemed as if he felt he had time in hand for race pace and had total confidence in his team/car, whereas Ham seemed to have zero confidence in his prospects for race day. Jenson seemed to be dumbfounded about the falling pace of his car with no idea where the time is going. What the heck is going on at Macca? Good grief. 
I remember it mentioned when Button first signed with Mclaren, that because of the huge difference in his driving style compared to Lewis, it would leave the team with two different paths to develop their car. Effectively reducing the possible development of the car by half. I believe that is whats wrong at Mclaren now. In real terms they only have one driver to get feedback about how components work at the very limit. Jenson drives well within the limits so has no clue how the car performs when pushed to the absolute max(ie Lewis).

How much resourse is currently being squandered on making the car drivable for Jenson? Its a sad picture.
I would like to agree with you.. but it's not really true. Button and Hamilton have differing styles, but the basic car setup works for both of them. They said that in an interview. Where Button falls short is when the conditions change. It doesn't matter how he like the car, it could be perfect for him at 2 o'clock but totally sucks for him at 2 thirty. That is Button's problem!

Right now, this car was designed around him, as he admitted at the begining of the season. Nothing changed but the nose..
Something else is causing Button to under perform. We might find out mid season.
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n smikle wrote:Their KERS have the same power. They were only under powered for the three (or four?) first races of 2011. That was with one battery pack. Now they have at least 2 battery packs. RedBull are fully powered, and they would be foolish not to be with now increased minimum weight and close competition like this.
Doubly so with the undercut not being as important with their current exhaust system. There's plenty of room for packaging the battery packs.

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n smikle wrote:I would like to agree with you.. but it's not really true. Button and Hamilton have differing styles, but the basic car setup works for both of them. They said that in an interview. Where Button falls short is when the conditions change. It doesn't matter how he like the car, it could be perfect for him at 2 o'clock but totally sucks for him at 2 thirty. That is Button's problem!

Right now, this car was designed around him, as he admitted at the begining of the season. Nothing changed but the nose..
Something else is causing Button to under perform. We might find out mid season.
It probably relates to getting heat into the tyres - something he's complained about, and constantly struggles with when in traffic. These Pirelli tyres have their sweet spot at a higher temperature compared to last years. Whereas Lewis tends to struggle to not put too much heat through the tyres, Jenson has the opposite problem.

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Maldonado got a 5 place grid penalty for gearbox change after his wreck in Quali. Starts 22nd.

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Seems Maldonado is starting in 22nd after a 5 position penalty for a gear box change.
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Did anyone manage to get a good screenshot of Newey's notepad at the very end of Martin Brundle's gridwalk?

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Could anyone please pm me a link for Sky F1 live stream? Thank you.

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Haha, I don't think he would've let a camera get a shot of it, amazing how Newey's mind works like a windtunnel/CFD/terminator lol.

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TAG Mclaren Group shareholder, Mansour Ojjeh seems to be making a lot of appearances on the grid nowadays, noticeably in McLaren corporate wear too.
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zyphro wrote:
FrukostScones wrote:I think X meant the engine, and the Renault engine is not weak, it maybe was weaker due to EBD but now the engine is maybe more powerful than Ferrari or Mercedes. I think there is no real differnce in HP between the engines. Also Renault engine was said the be the most efficient one, don't know if that is still true.
Isn't the Renault engine better on stop-and-go tracks like Bahrain?
It's said that the Renault engine consumes less fuel.

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