2014 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal

[subasurf]

It's party time here in Western Australia.

[Pierce89]

His record here is basically win or dnf, so not that surprising sadly. I think he can pull off a Vettelesque dominant streak to end the season, so am not too concerned. He prefers being the hunter and he's come back from a bigger deficit already this year.

You may not be too concerned, but I guarentee Lewis is.

Thanks for that, what's he having for tea as you know him so intricately?

Sour grapes. Sounds like you're having some as well.

[beelsebob]

Thoroughly pissed about Lewis......

This is why, as posted in another thread, some of us feel that the best 17 out of 20 races should make up the championship. So far the only reason why Lewis is not first is because of mechanical problems with his car.

To be fair Rosberg had the same problem as Hami, but he seemingly managed it better.

Not really managed it better - instead *knew* to manage it better. Hamilton's problem was instantly catastrophic, and that gave rosberg the information that he needed to manage it.

[oT v1]

To be fair Rosberg had the same problem as Hami, but he seemingly managed it better.

Hamilton was looking to pass before his rear brake exploded, he was managing it better (not that we know the exact severity for each driver)

[dans79]

Thoroughly pissed about Lewis......

This is why, as posted in another thread, some of us feel that the best 17 out of 20 races should make up the championship. So far the only reason why Lewis is not first is because of mechanical problems with his car.

To be fair Rosberg had the same problem as Hami, but he seemingly managed it better.

I think that's called clear air that helps cool the breaks!

[piast9]

Wow, what a race! Sudden malfunction of Mercedes power unit made this event spectacular. Last 10 laps were amazing. Pity for Hamilton, well done for Rosberg for keeping his car in the race. Ricciardo took his win and it's great to finally see a man who really enjoys the top step on the podium. As for Massa - Perez accident. I think that Massa was caught by Perez braking early because of his own brakes issues, that's all. It's good that Massa didn't do a "Webber" because he'd land outside the track.

[mnmracer]

My guess: Vettel won't like it that Ricci beat him to Red Bull's first win. Especially since Ricci had to pass Vettel to do it.

Daniel drove a great race, but he jumped Vettel in the pits after making up 7 seconds before that because the Red Bull has no top speed. Vettel will certainly not like that, but performance-wise, it won't keep him awake.

[Phil]

To be fair Rosberg had the same problem as Hami, but he seemingly managed it better.

Hamilton was looking to pass before his rear brake exploded, he was managing it better (not that we know the exact severity for each driver)

Hamilton *was in front*. The problem likely developed right after he came out in the lead, then had less braking power at the hairpin which is where rosberg passed him - the cleaner exit gave Hamilton a better run up the straight, which is how he got back alongside Rosberg, but then the brakes seemed to go completely.

[JimClarkFan]

Thoroughly pissed about Lewis......

This is why, as posted in another thread, some of us feel that the best 17 out of 20 races should make up the championship. So far the only reason why Lewis is not first is because of mechanical problems with his car.

To be fair Rosberg had the same problem as Hami, but he seemingly managed it better.

Ham probably slightly harder on breaks, but he got the rough end of the stick... again. I kind of feel sorry for him, and then I remember he is a multi millionaire racing driver and I think... who cares

[iotar__]

How did Rosberg push the boundaries of fairness? I don't know you personally, but this post comes off as an unhappy one of Hami's fannboizz. I'm not saying you are a Lewis fan boy, but it seems like a lack of a Hamilton win was the only thing that's "unsatisfying"

Labelling others is not good way of arguing. To answer the question: by going off track and gaining an advantage. Simple enough? Imagine Hamilton copying his move - would he have ended closer to Rosberg doing that and thus having better chance for overtake? Yes. The fact that he cut the corner when no one forced him wide, all by himself should count against him not for, it was de-facto duel, LH was close enough. Result -> shorter route, bigger gap -> gain.

So let's add another example of leaving the track and gaining an advantage that was worse than Grosjean-Hungary and remarkably wasn't penalised. Remember: rules are rules, once 4 wheels off the track = penalty, no questions asked. All experts agreed.

Speaking of hypocrisy: - Massa is one, as is the whole Williams team, I expect apologies .

[mnmracer]

Considering the Mercedes' were already managing the problem for quite some laps, I'm curious what exactly triggered the fatal issue.

[Juzh]

I think Massa would have flew by Vettel if the Williams had some longer gears

This is a joke right? Massa was the fastest car trough the speed traps. Short/long gears play no role.

[oT v1]

Yes. The fact that he cut the corner when no one forced him wide, all by himself should count against him not for, it was de-facto duel, LH was close enough. Result -> shorter route, bigger gap -> gain.

So let's add another example of leaving the track and gaining an advantage that was worse than Grosjean-Hungary and remarkably wasn't penalised. Remember: rules are rules, once 4 wheels off the track = penalty, no questions asked. All experts agreed.

Speaking of hypocrisy: - Massa is one, as is the whole Williams team, I expect apologies .

Agreed on the advantage gained, they forgot about DRS :s Dont agree on Massa, watch the replays again, you can see Perez turn the wheel left into Massa's path, i doubt Massa will get a penalty at all

[turbof1]

Considering the Mercedes' were already managing the problem for quite some laps, I'm curious what exactly triggered the fatal issue.

It builds up: too small brake disks with the brake ducts nearly completely not used anymore for cooling, and big braking zones, will build up the temperature right until the breaking point. The pitstop inbetween allowed for a short moment to cool down.

[beelsebob]

Considering the Mercedes' were already managing the problem for quite some laps, I'm curious what exactly triggered the fatal issue.

Well, the issue seems to be that the MGU-K failed. They weren't so much managing it, as trying to figure out how to turn it back on. Once the MGU-K has failed, the rear brakes are doing all the work, instead of the MGU-K, and that inevitably leads to them getting much much hotter.