2018 Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg, 29 June - 1 July

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Re: 2018 Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg, 29 June - 1 July

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NathanOlder wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 13:07
Wass85 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 06:57
If Hamilton will be happy to see Bottas win then he needs to reconsider if he wants to give that seat up, he seems to have no fire inside whatsoever and the performances are showing it IMO.
Or Hamilton happy to see Bottas win, so Merc are happier with Bottas and retain him for another 2yrs, therefore Lewis wins a team mate he knows he can beat, Maybe its all part of the bigger picture from Lewis
This guy just pops up when Hamilton's performance is off! I like him. :lol: Just the opposite of @giantfan10 and @chene_mostert who suddenly pops up when Ferrari does very well.

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NathanOlder wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 13:07
Wass85 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 06:57
If Hamilton will be happy to see Bottas win then he needs to reconsider if he wants to give that seat up, he seems to have no fire inside whatsoever and the performances are showing it IMO.
Or Hamilton happy to see Bottas win, so Merc are happier with Bottas and retain him for another 2yrs, therefore Lewis wins a team mate he knows he can beat, Maybe its all part of the bigger picture from Lewis
He's just fan-baiting and really should be ignored.

Having said that, in addition to your point about Hamilton/Bottas relationship, Hamilton is playing the season-long game for the title. At this stage, Vettel is the likely title contender and not Bottas. Even if Bottas wins 2 or 3 of the remaining races, so long as Hamilton is second then he remains the title contender in the team - provided he also wins a race or two, of course.
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So since last race I was either proven right or the results were inconclusive at best, what are the "geniuses" saying about race pace this weekend? Is there a clear winner or mixed signals? :p

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GPR-A wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 13:19
NathanOlder wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 13:07
Wass85 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 06:57
If Hamilton will be happy to see Bottas win then he needs to reconsider if he wants to give that seat up, he seems to have no fire inside whatsoever and the performances are showing it IMO.
Or Hamilton happy to see Bottas win, so Merc are happier with Bottas and retain him for another 2yrs, therefore Lewis wins a team mate he knows he can beat, Maybe its all part of the bigger picture from Lewis
This guy just pops up when Hamilton's performance is off! I like him. :lol: Just the opposite of @giantfan10 and @chene_mostert who suddenly pops up when Ferrari does very well.
Well there is a Wass85 on Twitter. He seems to dislike Hamilton a whole lot. Not conclusive that they are the same person though obviously.

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Edax wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 12:14
GPR-A wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 11:18
univex wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 10:25
I think Ric main point was that they were going for three runs and it would have been easy to do a 2:1 split in Q3 and have Ver take one for the team. That meant that RB would likely have been 5 & 6 on the grid.
A mature driver would have simply said sure and got on with the job trusting that his two attempts would have been more than enough to still be in front. A mature driver would have been thinking of a future championship where he may need help from a team mate one day.
A mature driver saw his partner screw him from behind in Baku and the world came down on him. A mature driver saw the media come after him, after a few mistakes AND then chose to play for himself. DISCIPLINE means DISCIPLINE.

A Strong driver doesn't need help from his team mate to win. A Strong driver goes out there and takes his best shot and put the car where probably it doesn't belong. A Strong driver doesn't trail his his immature team mate 6-3 in qualifying and 4-2 in races.

It was a team agreement as to who runs in front and it was made plain and simple by Horner. It was Ric who was struggling and couldn't match Max's pace and then chose not to do what was agreed. Why should Max help him, while he has been the one suffering the banters from audiences and press alike?
I think that is a bit harsh. But true RIC has put himself in a tough spot.

He tried to put himself in a championship winning position. However Bottas and Raikonen have picked up their performance. Renault and Mclaren are not showing the performance he needs. So there likely are no seats available next year.

And now Verstappen seems to have picked up on consistency, driving the point home that Ric lacks pace. Verstappen spilling points is his own doing, but the point remains that the 95% of the time that Verstappen is not doing something stupid he is considerably faster than RIC. So much that it becomes doubtfull that RIC would measure up against the best drivers in the field.

Bottom line is. Ric is demanding championship contender money, but his current performance does not seem to justify giving a seat away at that price. If he sticks with his demands I would not be surprised if there is no seat at all for him next year. Which would be a shame.
Ricciardo should really have obeyed team orders without the drama. Max has been faster than him through this weekend by quite a bit, and at a a high speed track where Red Bull finds it cannot keep up with the lead two teams, so would naturally concentrate on getting the faster driver as high up the grid as possible.

Ricciardo has already beaten Vettel comprehensively in the same car, so I think he's proven his pedigree as a top racer. However, what f1316 said about his character is spot on, the guy is smiling poison. By the end of the season in which he beat Vettel, I had already turned off by his repeated characterless references to himself as "a future world champion" - that might never happen now with Leclerc stepping up.

I expect Ricciardo to do well in this race though, his calmer approach to race day could even see him finish ahead of Max (again).

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Restomaniac wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 13:37
GPR-A wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 13:19
NathanOlder wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 13:07


Or Hamilton happy to see Bottas win, so Merc are happier with Bottas and retain him for another 2yrs, therefore Lewis wins a team mate he knows he can beat, Maybe its all part of the bigger picture from Lewis
This guy just pops up when Hamilton's performance is off! I like him. :lol: Just the opposite of @giantfan10 and @chene_mostert who suddenly pops up when Ferrari does very well.
Well there is a Wass85 on Twitter. He seems to dislike Hamilton a whole lot. Not conclusive that they are the same person though obviously.
I seem to remember "our" Wass85 claiming to be a Hamilton fan and just annoyed when he wasn't being perfect. Sounded like a smoke screen back then and no reason to doubt his real position these days.

Anyway, we've fed this troll enough for now - let's all just ignore him and maybe he'll go back under his bridge. =D>
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siskue2005 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 13:19
CRazyLemon wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 07:17
siskue2005 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 06:46

Unlike Ferrari and vettel.....Lewis does seem to be genuinely want Bottas to win...Remember Hungary 2017 perfect example of how selfish Vettel was and how selfless Lewis was. =D>
I don't think Hamilton would have just moved over if he and the team where in the same situation as Vettel and Ferrari in Hungary 2017.
Did u see the race? Lewis moved over and gave up his podium and 3 points to Bottas
Hamilton committed to doing so after asking his team to ask Bottas to let him by. So you're propos fully just remember or recount only what you want out in the forum.

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GrandAxe wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 14:02
I expect Ricciardo to do well in this race though, his calmer approach to race day could even see him finish ahead of Max (again).
You know Max is leading 4-2 in races right, not to mention of qualifying where it is 6-3?

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Re: 2018 Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg, 29 June - 1 July

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With 10 minutes before the start of the race and track temp is already 47 degrees Celsius and rising, which favours the harder tyres, hence S than SS ...

It`ll be interesting to see which strategy will prevail: SS-S / SS-US in Merc`s case or US-S / US - SS in Ferrari`s case ...
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Mercedes will use Soft is my guess.

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atanatizante wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 14:59
With 10 minutes before the start of the race and track temp is already 47 degrees Celsius and rising, which favours the harder tyres, hence S than SS ...

It`ll be interesting to see which strategy will prevail: SS-S / SS-US in Merc`s case or US-S / US - SS in Ferrari`s case ...
I think US-S is the way to go for Ferrari, these US won't last that long if it's that hot.

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Yeah it'll be interesting according to the commentators the track is 10 degrees hotter than yesterday.
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Just confirms my point about Ferrari’s fasination with starting on the softest tyre. It really boxes them in.