2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[mwillems]

So the possibility of a Newey "get out clause" was mentioned a few comments above, I don't mean this to be an off topic subject that could get out of control, but does anyone think McLaren's current technical structure allows such a hire?

No, to be honest. Right now I don't think there's room or need. But he'd be well placed here to work on the road cars too and hiring him might stop him making someone else fast

There's always a role to be created but Stella is clearly into the right balance. Newey might not balance our equation well despite his immense knowledge.

Ferrari on the other hand would likely give him anything his heart desires.

[SmallSoldier]

As fan of the sport the idea of a Ferrari designed by Newey and driven by Hamilton is exciting… As a McLaren fan, hope it doesn’t happen

[BMMR61]

Newey clearly works well in a structure where he has enormous autonomy and freedom, slotting into an existing well evolved structure might be counterproductive, at least for some period of time. The McLaren structure gives every appearance of evolving really nicely, Seidl's early release from his long term contract and the promotion of Stella we now see as enormously beneficial and the graph of performance looks like it might have some way to run. Why would they want to risk this strong trend to put in what would be a very "disruptive" spoke into the wheel, even a star signing? It's a little like I think the Hamilton to Ferrari scenario could manifest - a great driver relationship like the current Ferrari one and one which is really close in absolute pace, could be replaced by a new pairing with the potential for growing fractiousness. Do I not think that Newey is still in a league of his own in many aspects of the design role? Of course, but introducing a figure like Newey would be tantamount to ripping up the current order and starting again, something best suited to a team that has lost it's way - as McLaren were a few years ago and even as recently as a year ago. I'm perplexed by this line about Newey anyway and wonder what I have missed in the media.

[BMMR61]

As fan of the sport the idea of a Ferrari designed by Newey and driven by Hamilton is exciting… As a McLaren fan, hope it doesn’t happen

Well history tells us Ferrari aren't afraid of spending big on star defectors to big up their operation. It worked in a more expansive and coordinated way as in the Schumacher team, but less so in most. I'm with you on McLaren, I like the internal promotion method boosted by a few well chosen key signings.

[CjC]

Love the teams livery but jeez the white like the Indy team would have made it

https://x.com/mclarenf1/status/17548878 ... CA5OmEDv0w

I’ve been banging on about it for ages that we need white on the F1 car. White with the papaya would look

[SmallSoldier]

Newey clearly works well in a structure where he has enormous autonomy and freedom, slotting into an existing well evolved structure might be counterproductive, at least for some period of time. The McLaren structure gives every appearance of evolving really nicely, Seidl's early release from his long term contract and the promotion of Stella we now see as enormously beneficial and the graph of performance looks like it might have some way to run. Why would they want to risk this strong trend to put in what would be a very "disruptive" spoke into the wheel, even a star signing? It's a little like I think the Hamilton to Ferrari scenario could manifest - a great driver relationship like the current Ferrari one and one which is really close in absolute pace, could be replaced by a new pairing with the potential for growing fractiousness. Do I not think that Newey is still in a league of his own in many aspects of the design role? Of course, but introducing a figure like Newey would be tantamount to ripping up the current order and starting again, something best suited to a team that has lost it's way - as McLaren were a few years ago and even as recently as a year ago. I'm perplexed by this line about Newey anyway and wonder what I have missed in the media.

It would just depend in which capacity and role he could be brought to the team… It doesn’t necessarily need to be disruptive.

But the reality is that Prodromou is doing a good job and he is arguably the future… Who know for how long Newey is going to want to keep doing this, so a bet in the future is a better one in my opinion

[trinidefender]

Love the teams livery but jeez the white like the Indy team would have made it

https://x.com/mclarenf1/status/17548878 ... CA5OmEDv0w

The cars at Indy are not struggling for weight savings as the F1 Teams do, that allows them use liveries like that… I’m sure that if weight wouldn’t be such a constrain, we would see a livery from the team with less black in it… There is a reason why the Gulf livery was run at Monaco, that’s the one race where some additional weight is not as detrimental

I would have thought the additional weight would hurt the most at Monaco. It has, iirc, the lowest average speed, lots of bumps and walls that disrupt aero. That should mean that out of all the tracks aero will have the least effect (in relative terms of course) and mechanical grip would be the highest.

I figured they just used the livery there because it’s where a lot of deals get signed and McLaren has a sort of history for having Monaco special liveries.

[mwillems]

As fan of the sport the idea of a Ferrari designed by Newey and driven by Hamilton is exciting… As a McLaren fan, hope it doesn’t happen

I know, but it's exactly the possibility that is in front of us, albeit a remote one luckily. But I'd be hard pressed to dislike a Ferrari lineup with Newey and Hamilton in it. I wouldn't like it, though, I'm not saying that lol

I haven't read Newey's book so I may be totally mistaken, but I think like many other fans of F1 that he is not immune to the charms of Ferrari.

[mwillems]

Love the teams livery but jeez the white like the Indy team would have made it

https://x.com/mclarenf1/status/17548878 ... CA5OmEDv0w

The cars at Indy are not struggling for weight savings as the F1 Teams do, that allows them use liveries like that… I’m sure that if weight wouldn’t be such a constrain, we would see a livery from the team with less black in it… There is a reason why the Gulf livery was run at Monaco, that’s the one race where some additional weight is not as detrimental

I would have thought the additional weight would hurt the most at Monaco. It has, iirc, the lowest average speed, lots of bumps and walls that disrupt aero. That should mean that out of all the tracks aero will have the least effect (in relative terms of course) and mechanical grip would be the highest.

I figured they just used the livery there because it’s where a lot of deals get signed and McLaren has a sort of history for having Monaco special liveries.

Interesting, my brain went to the idea that higher G's in cornering and braking would amplify higher weight differences and differences in CoG and therefore Monaco would not make this weight difference stand out as much.

Edit: Cornering and braking.

[Macklaren]

I think Newey as philosophical head of design overseeing the current structure can absolutely work. Zak needs to make a move now at the very least to head off a Ferrari superteam

[AR3-GP]

I think Newey as philosophical head of design overseeing the current structure can absolutely work. Zak needs to make a move now at the very least to head off a Ferrari superteam

I think this is premature? Not saying that Adrian won't consider it, but I still feel it's very premature.

[Macklaren]

I think Newey as philosophical head of design overseeing the current structure can absolutely work. Zak needs to make a move now at the very least to head off a Ferrari superteam

I think this is premature? Not saying that Adrian won't consider it, but I still feel it's very premature.

Based on the events of the past week, every hour is like 6 months in normal F1 time

[AR3-GP]

I think Newey as philosophical head of design overseeing the current structure can absolutely work. Zak needs to make a move now at the very least to head off a Ferrari superteam

I think this is premature? Not saying that Adrian won't consider it, but I still feel it's very premature.

Based on the events of the past week, every hour is like 6 months in normal F1 time

true.

[SmallSoldier]

Love the teams livery but jeez the white like the Indy team would have made it

https://x.com/mclarenf1/status/17548878 ... CA5OmEDv0w

The cars at Indy are not struggling for weight savings as the F1 Teams do, that allows them use liveries like that… I’m sure that if weight wouldn’t be such a constrain, we would see a livery from the team with less black in it… There is a reason why the Gulf livery was run at Monaco, that’s the one race where some additional weight is not as detrimental

I would have thought the additional weight would hurt the most at Monaco. It has, iirc, the lowest average speed, lots of bumps and walls that disrupt aero. That should mean that out of all the tracks aero will have the least effect (in relative terms of course) and mechanical grip would be the highest.

I figured they just used the livery there because it’s where a lot of deals get signed and McLaren has a sort of history for having Monaco special liveries.

Actually due to the slow average speed and the fact that they can use the most amount of Downforce possible, it is the best place to “carry” a bit more weight… no heavy break zones, due to the bumps, more throttle feathering out of corners… From a “penalty” stand point, it makes sense to use it there (if you had to pick a track to carry more weight)… Similar situation last year with the 60 year special livery… I don’t recall many other special liveries run in Monaco beyond those 2

[organic]

Actually due to the slow average speed and the fact that they can use the most amount of Downforce possible, it is the best place to “carry” a bit more weight… no heavy break zones, due to the bumps, more throttle feathering out of corners… From a “penalty” stand point, it makes sense to use it there (if you had to pick a track to carry more weight)… Similar situation last year with the 60 year special livery… I don’t recall many other special liveries run in Monaco beyond those 2

Forget the RB star wars livery you must not