Espionage at Ferrari and McLaren

[Principessa]

I wonder what kind of new information the FIA could have received. It must be something coming from Ferrari as they didn't want to make a comment on the matter yesterday. I really don't understand all of this...who will benefit from the exclusion of McLaren if they didn't make use of the Ferrari-documents? I thought F1 was about competitiveness and rivalry between the teams and drivers on track. If McLaren won't be here next season, what will happen to that excitement for the fans?? I really don't want to go back to the times when you didn't have to watch the race to know who had won...where's the thrill in that for us, F1 fans?

If McLaren didn't use any of the things in the documents and it was ruled so by the WMSC...than why does this saga has to go on and on and on? This is bad for the sport but nobody seems to realise it!

[modbaraban]

Well i posted 2 possible reasons 3 mins before your post.

[Principessa]

Our posts most have crossed each other

I don't really believe that the teams have reached an agreement. Ferrari is really keen on pushing this through and this with the help of some of the lawyers of Renault.

[nae]

from http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19576.html

'We hear that the F1 teams have all received a fax in recent days from the FIA pointing out that it is their duty to report any information they may have with regard to information relating to the case, told to them by any of the drivers. This seems oddly specific and suggests that drivers are now involved in this affair.'

i wonder what it is that Kimi said to Jean whilst out on the lash ....

does taste a little bit sour this renewed case, and right before one of the protagonists home race too.

a pointless prediction
if mcclaren are excluded from 08 then prodrive will be fighting ferrai and bmw for the tittle with lewis and pedro driving

[manchild]

Mclaren excluded?! That would be the end of F1.

Even if they are 100% guilty, even if they ordered blueprints from Stepney on the scale of guilt they'd still be street pickpockets relative to Don Ferrarione! So if Ferrari goes on without ever being punished why should Mclaren be?

[modbaraban]

I don't really believe that the teams have reached an agreement. Ferrari is really keen on pushing this through and this with the help of some of the lawyers of Renault.

Mclaren excluded?! That would be the end of F1.

That was my point. Both FIA, FOM (especially) and Ferrari see no benefits in deciding the WCs in courts.
Ferrari would rather lose in the 'unfair battle' than win without a battle to harm the publicity of the team and the sport as a whole.

[manchild]

Ferrari would rather lose in the 'unfair battle' than win without a battle to harm the publicity of the team and the sport as a whole.

Like in Indy 2005?

[RH1300S]

It doesn't sound too good.

Drivers comments?????? - Would Alonso possibly have something to say - You never know, it would suit his purposes (I assume).

BTW - Jean Todt has demostrated time after time that Ferrari will call a win a win in ANY circumstance. I find his comments often hypocritical beyond belief (although, oddly I think he really believes it himself....)

[Rob W]

Ferrari would rather lose in the 'unfair battle' than win without a battle to harm the publicity of the team and the sport as a whole.

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Rob W

[manchild]

... or when they've "pulled some strings" to shut down that company in South Africa that was manufacturing special alloy used by Mclaren? It was in late 90s if I remember correctly.

They're ready to walk over corpses and they wouldn't object racing against dummy teams with all main rivals gone.

[modbaraban]

Ferrari would rather lose in the 'unfair battle' than win without a battle to harm the publicity of the team and the sport as a whole.

Like in Indy 2005?

Yes. And it looks like they've had enough of that FIAt publicity. This is their chance to look like the 'unfairly treated sportsmen' against 'money driven Lewis machine'.

And of course Max and esp. Bernie won't act in favour of Maranello, knowing that F1 was losing audience b'cos of such things. Bernie already stated that there's no way Hamilton's points can be harmed.

[Fan Solo]

This is getting beyond a joke!

So now the Italian stewards are investigating something that happened in Hungary? sorry but that smacks of some serious favours being asked behind the scenes.

Im not a Ferrari fan by a long shot & have trouble even supporting Kimi (fellow countryman) because of it.

Seriously, get on with racing instead of hiding your deficiencies behind shi**y legal accusations wherever you can find them. Its wrong & you know it & should you win the championship, in my eyes it will be null & void as you havent actually raced to win it.

Infact Ferrari, why not leave F1 & set up your own racing series so you always win, it would save me the trouble of looking away whenever you cars come on screen.

/ rant

[Principessa]

Indeed, Italian GP stewards launched investigation on McLaren's used gearbox at Hungary. It was a new one they say but didn't pass the crash test, although the bodywork didn't need to be altered for this new gearbox. In Turkey, McLaren would have used their old one again and than passed the crash test with the new one...

http://www.f1technical.net/news/6955

McLaren is really under a microscope! They are trying everything to make it a dirty championship title (if of course McLaren still gets the chance to take the title)

[Militia Est Vita]

Amazing, now the gearbox?! Give me a break. I cannot beleive the huge cruzade that has started over McLaren, I'm seriously dissappointed at this situation.

[bar555]

It seems that FIA do not have enough evidence to convict Mc Laren and tries to push hard the team by keeping the car under continous investigation . Maybe indeed Ferrari wants Mc Laren to lose the tittle inside the track and not in the court , so a little help from the FIA is always welcome .