Hungarian GP 2010 - Hungaroring

[ringo]

Agree to 747 heavy, I would have expected a reprimand to Rubens for creating that trap for himself in the first place.

He had the right to create that "trap". He created so that shumacher should back off.
That's just making use of the rules.
Any driver has the right to stick his car's nose where he pleases. No roles against that.

I would do that too, stick the car in there and expect the other guy to back off. In fact he has to back off or stay straight and that's the whole point of sticking the car there in the first place.

Hamilton, Barichello brazil 2009, that's how it's done!

[timbo]

I don't get it. Everyone complains at the lack of racing and overtaking and when the finally see some hairy arsed, balls out racing they can't stop complaining.

I really hope that Barrichello gets some sort of reprimand as what he did was ridiculous. There was next to no space to the right, but bags of space on the left yet he goes to the right where there is next to no space? Rookie error.

Rookie error??

Noone is able to overtake in Turn 1 on the outside!
If you want to have a shot you HAVE to be inside.

[zenithbeach]

what a race! i love it when a race that you expect to be totally boring turns out this entertaining!

i thought petrov did an awesome job and so did kobayashi!

another "oh dear" goes to vettel. trust him to mess up his own race yet again he shouldnt try to get pole position next time, maybe he will finally win something. hes lucky hamilton got no points, otherwise hed be even more in the dumps.
and i would really like him to grow up a little. i understand hes still young and lacks experience and what not but seriously? throwing his hat on the podium was so lame and sittin in the press conference like a little kid whose toys had been taken away.. thats not what i expect from a future championship winner. maybe being pampered by the team showed its downside here, time for some tough love from horner me thinks.
well done for tryin to catch alonso though.

and schumi? he was clearly fighting a lost battle. havin all this experience, he should know when to pull back. that was ridiculous made great tv though, especially when both drivers gave interviews afterwards LOL

why exactly did kubica get a stop and go? it wasnt even his fault?
and why dont they forbid pit stops during a SC phase? its obviously leading to (dangerous) chaos..

[GTSpeedster]

First post here, so howdy everybody?!

Well, about today's Schumacher-Barrichello incident; I can't see how it is worse than Webber-Massa (2008 Japanese GP). By the way, no penalties back then.

I don't remember anybody being as sensitive back then as some seems to be right now.

Not to mention Senna-Prost in Portugal 1988; now we’re talking real killer instinct.

Anyway, I think many people just don’t like Schumacher for the fact that maybe he was born in the wrong country. Had Hamilton done the same and the many would have been explaining how tenacious and full of a fighting spirited he is and so on.

Just to refresh our memories:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxY_bpUIfLs[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zznJjSncGCE[/youtube]

Cheers to all!

[Giblet]

I don't get it. Everyone complains at the lack of racing and overtaking and when the finally see some hairy arsed, balls out racing they can't stop complaining.

I really hope that Barrichello gets some sort of reprimand as what he did was ridiculous. There was next to no space to the right, but bags of space on the left yet he goes to the right where there is next to no space? Rookie error.

You are contradicting yourself in one paragraph. It's OK for Michael to 'balls out' race in his defense, but not for Rubens to be 'balls out' to try a pass?

He got him, and his his balls further out than MS did by a mile. A rookie error would have been a crash, not racing centimeters from MS's tire and the wall at the same time.

[andrew]

Barrichello chose to go for a diminishing gap which seemed near sucidal.

He was in the ideal position to sell Schumacher a dummy but chose not to for some rerason. Schumacher was defending to the right, Barrichello should have jumped to the left and wait for Schumacher to go wide into turn 1 as he would have difficulty slowing on the dusty stuff.

Other drivers do this (Senna and Webber spring to mind) yet no one complains. I find that very strange but I guess that Schumacher is an easy target at the moment.

[747heavy]

@ Giblet

I respect your point, it´s a good one.
But beeing a gentleman is (while desireable) not a prerequsit for beeing a F1 driver.
It´s that same with the teamorder row.
Different teams have different ways to go over there business.
Different drivers have different ways to race.
We can agree or not agree, like or hate - that´s up to us.
But we should respect the ones, who choose a different approach than we would. IMHO

@ Ringo

Seeems we share a similar point of view about hard racing

@ anybody

everybody is entitled to have and articulate his own opinion here.
why it is totally o.k. and encouraged to have and state a different opinion,
attacking other posters personally and making statements about their mental state/health
is taking it a bit far IMO.
That´s a very low level.
I´m sure we all on this forum can do better than that.
So let´s try to be respectfull !!

I´m o.k. with anybody who says that MS move was too hard/unfair - it´s your opinion to have, no problem at all.

[andrew]

I don't get it. Everyone complains at the lack of racing and overtaking and when the finally see some hairy arsed, balls out racing they can't stop complaining.

I really hope that Barrichello gets some sort of reprimand as what he did was ridiculous. There was next to no space to the right, but bags of space on the left yet he goes to the right where there is next to no space? Rookie error.

You are contradicting yourself in one paragraph. It's OK for Michael to 'balls out' race in his defense, but not for Rubens to be 'balls out' to try a pass?

He got him, and his his balls further out than MS did by a mile. A rookie error would have been a crash, not racing centimeters from MS's tire and the wall at the same time.

No contradiction at all. Schumachers defence was just good hard racing. The fact that Barrichello chose to continue over the grass was just idiotic - I was hoping he would sell Schumacher a dummy and jump to the left to pass or get him into trun 2 but alas that did not happen. A rookie error is to chose to go for a gep which is bound to get smaller. Proper "balls out" racing can happen without being stupidly dangerous. Barrichello continuing was just very stupid.

I suggest you watch Piquet sticking his Willaims round the outside of Senna and sliding round turn 1 to pass. That's proper racing.

[Lurk]

This^ is madness. That had nothing to do with shumacher defending a line into the turn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWdOV9TPK7s


@GTSpeedster
Senna and Webber moves weren't so dangerous. The space between Barrichello and the wall can be counted on millimeters while the others have more than 20cm of space. It was dangerous too but not as this one!

[Paul]

Are you saying Schumacher was letting Barrichello past on the left? No he wasn't, he was trying to make sure there was nowhere to go on the right but miscalculated, and when he realised his mistake, did his stupid move that looked like a panic manoeuvre.

[ringo]

First post here, so howdy everybody?!

Well, about today's Schumacher-Barrichello incident; I can't see how it is worse than Webber-Massa (2008 Japanese GP). By the way, no penalties back then.

I don't remember anybody being as sensitive back then as some seems to be right now.

Not to mention Senna-Prost in Portugal 1988; now we’re talking real killer instinct.

Anyway, I think many people just don’t like Schumacher for the fact that maybe he was born in the wrong country. Had Hamilton done the same and the many would have been explaining how tenacious and full of a fighting spirited he is and so on.

Just to refresh our memories:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxY_bpUIfLs[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zznJjSncGCE[/youtube]

Cheers to all!

where's the concrete wall?

Oh yeah, most importantly where's the constant pressure, inching a driver into the wall, knowing that you are no longer blocking him, but you are mentally torturing him?

These videos are like little Vettel swipes, just to frighten.

Shumacher's driving is like this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FC8OfvmhyU[/youtube]

[timbo]

Not to mention Senna-Prost in Portugal 1988; now we’re talking real killer instinct.

You can easily see that Senna actually left more than enough room for Prost.

[rifrafs2kees]

Agree to 747 heavy, I would have expected a reprimand to Rubens for creating that trap for himself in the first place.

I quite remember your rhetorical question addressed to internetfan inquiring if he was stupid. If there's ever a time to break forum etiquette, it'd be now. Are you just plain stupid or you're joking?

[Giblet]

I thought a second move was illegal? Oh right, it is. If Schumi was following the rules, which he was given a penalty for NOT following, he should not have been there in the first place, so Rubens was going to a spot that should have remained OPEN.

More than one move off the racing line IS considered dangerous blocking, and gets penalized.

[komninosm]

Well that was an unusual race!

Unrealistic penalties for Vettel and Kubica and Barrichello moaning that he had to race.

Bit unfair that Kubica got a drive through for th teams mistake. It was only a matter of time until an accident like that happened but thankfully no one was hurt.

Vettel's penalty was bizzare. Sure he was pretty far back but I would have to agree with Antony Davidson's comments that it was not dangerous. By the same token I guess someone vould argue that Webber was too close to the safety car?

As for Barrichello, I really think the time has come for him to hang up his helmet as he is really getting to be the grumpy old man of the paddock. There was absolutely nothing wrong with what Schumacher did. He made one move to the left towards the pit to defend his line which is allowed. Barrichello chose to go to the left when he should hsave really gone to the right. He allowed himself to be squeezed by putting his car in a dangerous position.

As for WhiteBlue's question about the circuit length, nothing wrong with it. Maybe widen it in places to encourage passing but the length is fine. Actually, it's quite a nice wee track.

How were the penalties unrealistic? The rules exist for a reason you know. You can't leave a gap when SC is out so your teammate can escape while you delay the opposition (granted here was slightly different case).
And what penalty would you have given Kubica? Unsafe release is unsafe release, no matter if it is lollypop fault or driver. And a crash no less this time. Did you complain in the past about such drive throughs?
You comment about Webber makes no sense either
Likewise on your comment on Barrichello. You even have right and left confused (even if what you said was correct, which it isn't). Your post quality is as low as usual I see... =D>