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Fernando Alonso has confirmed that Ferrari's pace in qualifying was not just luck. The Spaniard dominated everybody in two blistering stints in the second half of the race. Sebastian Vettel ended second, just ahead of Mark Webber.
I am disappointed as well with Webber's second successive poor start from pole.jamsbong wrote:Webber had a bad start.
Had it been dry at the start, the left side of the track would have been better.http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/ ... 12293.html
Q: Mark, what happened at the start as it wasn't quite as good. It was still very good.
MW: Well Fernando and I spoke about it. The right hand side looked pretty good in those greasy conditions so that's the way it went today.
It was not as you understand it.andartop wrote:Does anyone have any info from McLaren about Button's pit lane incident?
From what I saw it seemed like divine intervention;
First they radioed Button to come in so he could jump Webber.
The Red Bull S&%t crew heard that and called Webber in to react and protect his position.
Once Webber was in the pit lane it became apparent McLaren were bluffing as Button stayed out for another lap.
As the McLaren mechanics were going back in they dropped something that looked like a wheel nut, one of them had to chase it across the pit lane.
Then Button comes in on the next lap, and - surprise surprise - there's a wheel nut missing when he is released!
Hear hear! Great insight into his personality. His recalling of Nigel Mansell's brummie accent in conversation with Adrian Newey was high comedy!Ray wrote:I will say though, after all this criticism of Vettel that I've been going on and on about, his interview on Top Gear tonight was fantastic. He's a really funny guy and very down to Earth. Great kid.
I wonder if you watch different races than me....In the first stint, Vettel opened a gap of 8+ seconds over MW, he was so far ahead that MW was by no means affected anyhow by him, yet he couldn't follow. Alonso couldn't follow either, only the McLaren with Hamilton at the wheel came close.archiebald wrote:You are forgetting the fact that this is not just about Silverstone, Vettel has NEVER shown any major overtaking ability in his entire career.n smikle wrote:Vettel had trouble overtaking Hamilton? He tried for 8 laps and no cookie. He needs to improve on his on the spot thinking.
In the same car, on the same tyres, Vettel would be totally outclassed.
No question that Vettel is quick on his own, but as he is in what is unquestionably the best car so no-one knows how quick.
But Vettel does not have the same wheel to wheel racing skills as Hamilton, Alonso, Kobayashi et al. Even Button, not known for aggressive driving has shown far more skills this season in this department than Vettel ever has.
+1 =D>Mandrake wrote:I wonder if you watch different races than me....In the first stint, Vettel opened a gap of 8+ seconds over MW, he was so far ahead that MW was by no means affected anyhow by him, yet he couldn't follow. Alonso couldn't follow either, only the McLaren with Hamilton at the wheel came close.archiebald wrote:You are forgetting the fact that this is not just about Silverstone, Vettel has NEVER shown any major overtaking ability in his entire career.n smikle wrote:Vettel had trouble overtaking Hamilton? He tried for 8 laps and no cookie. He needs to improve on his on the spot thinking.
In the same car, on the same tyres, Vettel would be totally outclassed.
No question that Vettel is quick on his own, but as he is in what is unquestionably the best car so no-one knows how quick.
But Vettel does not have the same wheel to wheel racing skills as Hamilton, Alonso, Kobayashi et al. Even Button, not known for aggressive driving has shown far more skills this season in this department than Vettel ever has.
As it dried up, the top 6 were doing exactly the same laptimes, there was no sign that the RedBull was the fastest car. Vettel could pull away from Webber who was chased down by Alonso, but the McLarens drove the same pace.
After the bad PitStop Vettel closed the gap to Hamilton, but wasn't too much faster than him....and even with DRS his car lacked the topspeed to follow. On the Hangar straight he only closed the gap slightly....how on earth should he have overtaken Hamilton? The one very good chance he had was brilliantly defended by Hamilton (closing the inner line enough to make Vettel lift off) Hamilton did not put a foot wrong and Vettel's car wasn't superior enough to come close enough....this has nothing to do with overtaking skills. In the same situation with Massa, Massa didn't defend as well as Hamilton and Vettel had learned from his mistake with Hamilton and blew past Massa with ease! So please, take off your rose coloured fanboy glasses and try to be objective!
I wonder though why Vettel's performance was so bad in the last sector, that wasn't world class performance.
Calculating the gap to Alonso and comparing it to the time lost in the pits + behind Hamilton it would have been a super exciting finish with both drivers were close together....Anyways, Alonso drove a mistake-free race with blistering performance in the dry, congrats!
As I understand it you are incorrect. The FIA hear all the messages. The teams are supposed to have confidential radio to their drivers. The FIA can choose what it makes available to the broadcasters. Usually it is delayed so other teams can gain no advantage from what is broadcast. In this case that is what did not happen.raymondu999 wrote:You do realize, of course, that the teams hear all radio messages anyways, and we (the fans) are the ones who only hear selected messages?
A few points...Mandrake wrote: I wonder if you watch different races than me....In the first stint, Vettel opened a gap of 8+ seconds over MW, he was so far ahead that MW was by no means affected anyhow by him, yet he couldn't follow. Alonso couldn't follow either, only the McLaren with Hamilton at the wheel came close.
As it dried up, the top 6 were doing exactly the same laptimes, there was no sign that the RedBull was the fastest car. Vettel could pull away from Webber who was chased down by Alonso, but the McLarens drove the same pace.
After the bad PitStop Vettel closed the gap to Hamilton, but wasn't too much faster than him....and even with DRS his car lacked the topspeed to follow. On the Hangar straight he only closed the gap slightly....how on earth should he have overtaken Hamilton? The one very good chance he had was brilliantly defended by Hamilton (closing the inner line enough to make Vettel lift off) Hamilton did not put a foot wrong and Vettel's car wasn't superior enough to come close enough....this has nothing to do with overtaking skills. In the same situation with Massa, Massa didn't defend as well as Hamilton and Vettel had learned from his mistake with Hamilton and blew past Massa with ease! So please, take off your rose coloured fanboy glasses and try to be objective!
I wonder though why Vettel's performance was so bad in the last stint, that wasn't world class performance.
Calculating the gap to Alonso and comparing it to the time lost in the pits + behind Hamilton it would have been a super exciting finish with both drivers were close together....Anyways, Alonso drove a mistake-free race with blistering performance in the dry, congrats!
Really, It's not like McLaren cares about a few thousand pounds of fine. They will be much more sorry for Button retiring due to their error. That is more than enough motivation for the team to make sure it doesn't happen again, again proving my point that a penalty in this case is useless.Jeffsvilleusa wrote:I think losing wheels is inexcusable, intentional or not. It's literally a deadly hazard to everyone in proximity to the track. Sure, they didn't intend to commit the offense, but a penalty should be motivation to ensure it doesn't happen again.Tomba wrote:Oh great. Now the FIA decided to fine McLaren and Sauber for the pit incidents.
+1Tomba wrote:Really, It's not like McLaren cares about a few thousand pounds of fine. They will be much more sorry for Button retiring due to their error. That is more than enough motivation for the team to make sure it doesn't happen again, again proving my point that a penalty in this case is useless.Jeffsvilleusa wrote:I think losing wheels is inexcusable, intentional or not. It's literally a deadly hazard to everyone in proximity to the track. Sure, they didn't intend to commit the offense, but a penalty should be motivation to ensure it doesn't happen again.Tomba wrote:Oh great. Now the FIA decided to fine McLaren and Sauber for the pit incidents.
Point 1: New tires, different story! We've seen it all season that the RedBull is faster out of the pits for the first 2-3 laps.Gerhard Berger wrote: A few points...
Vettel was much faster than Hamilton - just look what happened once he got clean air after his pit stop.
Vettel's top speed was higher than Hamiltons according the F1 website. Even with the help of DRS he couldn't overtake.
The siuation with Massa was not the same. Massa was on 15 lap old softs, whilst Vettel was on brand new softs - of course he is going to be able to simply drive past him.
