Renault race-fixing at Singapore 2008

[WhiteBlue]

It says

t is not known if Renault must still face the World Motor Sport Council in Paris on Monday to answer the charges

I would think the WMSC will definitely have to look into the issue. The affair cannot remain without consequences.

Alonso to be disqualified from the race result is the absolute minimum that needs to be done. It looks like Nico Rosberg is an F1 winner now. =D>

[Giblet]

Massa should sue flav, pat, and piquet for costing him the points that would have won him the wdc last year. Being given immunity from the fia won't help them in court.

[jonathan189]

Amazing!

[raceman]

Alonso to be disqualified from the race result is the absolute minimum that needs to be done. It looks like Nico Rosberg is an F1 winner now. =D>

it is not correct!

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/n ... 5906.shtml

as per Mosley, the 2008 FIA F1 Championship results were "set in stone" after November 30th.

[ben_watkins]

Both guity as charged and quit to try and save Renault! [-X

I think the team will still get massive fine, possible ban. The fine must be more than €100m FIA impossed on Macca...

[ben_watkins]

they quit, not sacked?

[WhiteBlue]

it is not correct!

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/n ... 5906.shtml

as per Mosley, the 2008 FIA F1 Championship results were "set in stone" after November 30th.

Hmm, thats a shame. I guess they will have to take away the points and hand a out further punishment then.

[WhiteBlue]

they quit, not sacked?

Well, in such circumstances the guilty are given a chance to slit their venes or quietly disappear from the public to protect the company from further embarassment.

Renault not even mention all the good things which they did for the company. It is a sure sign for a bad sacking. Companies allways say something nice to protect themselves against countercharges if they sack someone. In this case it was not done and guilt was taken by saying they will not defend the charges.

[scarbs]

I’ve got to say I’m surprised and saddened by the departure of Flav and Pat. Having seen the initial evidence I was happy to give them the benefit of the doubt. Given Piquets ability to spin his car without prompting and that Renault hardly looked in with a great chance of the win, from the pace throughout the year in 2008 and given Alonso’s qualifying problem.
But then the Symonds interview made me more suspicious and todays announcement is a veiled admittance of guilt. While I have no great opinion either way of Flav, Pat Symonds is an engineer and someone I have great respect for.

As with Coughlan, I can’t see that either could work in F1 or even motorsport again. However the repercussions for Renault and Piquet are far greater, will he be banned also? There seems to be some debate who’s idea it was and regardless he was the one that spun. Was Alonso involved? With Renault having been teetering on the exit to F1 for some time, I can only see that this and Red Bulls comments earlier this week would only promote their departure.

Sad days indeed

[ben_watkins]

I think the whole thing is a load of BS..

Renault had improved the car by Singapore. Alonso lucked out when Piquet crashed, yes that's true..

However, he went on to win in Japan, without Piquet's "help".. So where's the story?

The whole thing is just a way for Piquet to get back at Flavio!

Hands up.. I was totally wrong!

[pgj]

There is no innocent verdict here. There is no way that they would leave their positions without there being at least one smoking gun with their prints on it. This is borne out by the fact that Renault will not contest the hearing. This means that a deal has been done behind closed doors. We will never know all of the facts of this case because the hearing will be in private and Renault has stated that there will be no appeal. We will only get snippets and leaks.

This will be swept under the carpet. The punishment to Renault will not be as harsh as it would have been had Pat and Flav not fallen on their swords. It will be at such a level that Renault will be shown to have done wrong without being severe enough to make it walk away from F1.

Who now for Renault TP?

[WhiteBlue]

Both guity as charged and quit to try and save Renault! [-X

I think the team will still get massive fine, possible ban. The fine must be more than €100m FIA impossed on Macca...

No, I think that will be unlikely. In such circumstances the responsibility is considered against the impact on the team.

The responsibility clearly lay with Briatore. If he had gone quietly at an earlier time - like Ron Dennis did - the whole thing had been swept under the carpet. He elected to deny his responsibility, so he took the fire from all tubes the opposition could find.

Now that the scores are settled the FIA will show concern about the team and the manufacturer. The punishment will be more symbolic. Some money and of course points taken away. But even points are questionable as they have said the 2008 results are set in stone.

[Rob W]

The thing which irks me most about this is the leaks.

Time after time the FIA leak stuff - often almost perfectly timed for most impact - and then Mosely comes out and says crap like "There are always two sides to a coin and we have to respect that" as he did today.

It reflects really poorly that they have such an attitude or, in the unlikely event it is actually an insider leaking stuff without permission, such poor security over some pretty sensitive documents.

(reminds of the blanked out words in the McLaren gate hearings which could simply be selected to see the text... what a facepalm!)

[WhiteBlue]

Time after time the FIA leak stuff - often almost perfectly timed for most impact - and then Mosely comes out and says crap like "There are always two sides to a coin and we have to respect that" as he did today.

It was a well orchestrated campaign, that it true. I wonder why it was carried out that way. Perhaps Flabby has been involved in some other affairs that invited retribution.

I was surprised to see Max ambulating Monza which basically is Luca's playground. The head of FOTA was very invisible while his commercial director was under full fire from the Piquet and FIA camp.

Someone tried to destroy Mosley before, we should remember.

[jddh1]

So my entire conspiracy theory mentioned a few pages ago came true. They wanted to get rid of Flav and succeeded. Frankly, FOTA couldn't have saved him from this embarrassment. Symmonds will be fine. He's old and it's just an early retirement for him. But it's Flav whose reputation is now destroyed. Who wants to have him as manager any more? No one I tell you.
Goodbye Flav. At least I don't have to see you wearing that man-thong anymore.