Italian GP 2010 - Monza

[ringo]

Disapointed by Hamilton, he needed to be ahead of webber here.
He would be cruising home to the WDC by now.
He would have got Massa evntually and took 3rd or even 2nd.

Poor decision to overtake Massa. Massa will willfully crash into Hamilton to help Alonso. Hamilton should have understood this. Massa did not hesitate to turn in, and it's not the first time Massa turned into Hamilton like he wasn't there.

Stupid move Hamilton!! Just had to wait then the race was his, he could have won!

Good race by Button, but proved that he's no match for Alonso. Button had the faster car here. The win was his for the taking, he just could not shake Alonso.
If it were Hamilton, he'd be long gone with the win.
Not sure how much of a title contender button'll be if he can't win with the fastest car.

Mclaren must be face palming right now.

[andrew]

Incidently, who was the guest race stewart?

Fittipaldi(emmo)

Cheers JET.

[komninosm]

Hamilton: Hard blood, heat of the moment mistake and that's it. The blame was not all his, Massa could have given more room, but why should he ?

Lewis should've been a wee tiny bit more patient. But the championship has gotten a lot more exciting, hasn't it ? Now we're off to a track where Red Bull is expected to be mega again, and Hamilton has done good there in the past too.

If Massa was looking in his mirrors he would have likely collected the cars in front of him. He was right in sticking to his line, plus, the cars turn very sharply from one way to another there, so I have to put all the blame on Hamilton as he should have known this and not been so agro to take a place at the start.

"Races are rarely won on the first corner, but are often lost there"

You're probably right. Anyone got video of the incident uploaded somewhere?

[andrew]

Found this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz6NQ34NdDM[/youtube]

And this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMkpVBESfUQ[/youtube]

[ringo]

Completely Hamilton's fault. There was nothing there and nothing for Massa to close. Anybody who believes that is a real Hamilton fanboy. Where's Ringo?

You called?

Hamilton's mistake, but Massa's doing! Massa can crash into anyone he feels from now on.

edit: After seeing the video, it's no ones fault. Hamilton was hit twice. Once in the back, and then on the wheel. He could not go wide either, the car just would not turn anymore, you can watch his hands. When he got the first hit, he countersteered in reaction to it, then he got the second hit.
A gap was definitely there, Hamilton did the right thing to go for it. He was boxed in anyway you look at, and even if he braked massa would have clipped him.
Massa could have played a little nice and give some room. He risked his race to help Alonso.
Had Hamilton passed through cleanly, he would have overtaken Alonso, then go for Button. By lap 3 he could have been leading.

[raymondu999]

Wow. Ferrari. Building tanks since 1996

And I can't help but thinking that there is some weird spiritual/karmic bond between Vettel and Webber. Webbo gets held up by two Nicos while Vettel builds a pitstop gap, and comes out ahead of Nico. Hungary in reverse, anyone? Just that this wasn't for the victory, that's all. And he was P8 before the stops, if I remember correctly.

Unsurprisingly (for me) Button has not been able to win without a good tyre strategy call. This was his chance to win purely on "pace" if you know what I mean. But how much was due to pitcrew though? I wonder.

In the meantime, I'm glad I couldn't place money on the 2nd and 3rd positions. I had them the other way around. Now to enjoy my "Alonso wins" bet money

[komninosm]

Found this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz6NQ34NdDM[/youtube]

And this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMkpVBESfUQ[/youtube]

Tnx.
Kinda sad to see Alonso do the Vettel-chop at the start, no?

[WhiteBlue]

Button had the faster car here.

Button, Whitmarsh and the clock are all in opposition to your opinion.

[Giblet]

He might have been if not for his diffuser being punted, but we can never know or speculate for sure.

WB - Good race from Vettel and he didn't let his engine problem get to him, pressed on, and got a good result.

We might have seen the kid mature a touch since last race.

[ringo]

Button had the faster car here.

Button, Whitmarsh and the clock are all in opposition to your opinion.

The car was the faster car, Button just wasn't fast in it, hence the clock.
You forgot Button's fastest laps?
He should not have allowed Alonso to be so close to him, he should have pulled out a gap. Button had the higher downforce car and was going wide after the chicane putting the car in the dirt.
The key for Button was to take P1 with a high down-force car. He accomplished this, so what stopped him from winning?
He did not make use of his fuel in the early part of the race, by the time he needs fuel to chase Alonso, he has to go to G4, and that's it for his race.

No reason you can be P1 in the first 3/4 of the race, then suddenly your in P2 with no answer. Just more signs he can't challenge for the championship, Alonso is too strong for him.

[andrew]

It sounds like Vettel's engine problems were caused by a brake binding after hitting a kerb.

[raymondu999]

We might have seen the kid mature a touch since last race.

You, sir, have just made my day

What's brake binding by the way?

[ringo]

He might have been if not for his diffuser being punted, but we can never know or speculate for sure.

WB - Good race from Vettel and he didn't let his engine problem get to him, pressed on, and got a good result.

We might have seen the kid mature a touch since last race.

His diffuser was ok. One little sheet, shouldn't drop it's efficiency much on such a fast track. His downforce advantage was stills staggering. Button has too many car part excuses.
Alonso had a hole in his nose, which should affect nearly everything downstream of the car, and also the drag.

Button was even giving excuses before he went out on podium, talking about tyre temps and shudders to domenicali, like Ferrari cares.
Ferrari know Button is a push over, no need for him to explain to stefano why Alonso whooped him soundly.

[andrew]

What's brake binding by the way?

A brake was slightly jammed on and slowing the car. Kind of like driving a road car with the hand brake slightly on. I've done it (ahem!) by mistake in an automatic that I wasn't familier with and you would be surprised at how much of a difference it can make.

[Guessdot]

Anyone here thinks it is partly due to the kerbs being so high? as we can see from the video.. Hamilton didn't really had any place to go and if the kerbs is not that high, maybe he can cut the corner.. just maybe..