Chinese GP 2011 - Shanghai

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komninosm
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When did Rosberg pass Massa so then Rosberg lost 2 places when he made his mistake/?

myurr
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andrew wrote:I disagree. It is completely false. The racing should be done on the track and not in the garage before the race.
The racing IS being done on track. Vettel had the option to three stop but chose a different strategy. Now he has to fight it out on track to make it work.

mach11
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hmmmm can rosberg make it to the podium...???
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andrew
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Not really. If it was like the Michelin v Bridgestone I wouldn't mind but it is the fact that these tyres drop off so much is just devaluing the racing and overtaking. It makes too all too easy.

myurr
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andrew wrote:Not really. If it was like the Michelin v Bridgestone I wouldn't mind but it is the fact that these tyres drop off so much is just devaluing the racing and overtaking. It makes too all too easy.
Vettel chose a strategy and it's not worked. Hamilton had to make some overtakes for his strategy to work out and he made it happen. This is not artificial like DRS where one car has an advantage over another because they have different capabilities available to them. Vettel and Ferrari have simply got the strategy wrong because the McLarens were able to use their pace to attack.

Edit: In fact the tyre war is more artificial as you're giving different equipment to different drivers. If a driver would have won the race had they been using the other make of tyre but they're contractually stopped from doing so then that is artificial. In this race all the drivers had the same options available to them, and thankfully we have a situation where strategy and drivers can make a difference.

andrew
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myurr wrote:
andrew wrote:Not really. If it was like the Michelin v Bridgestone I wouldn't mind but it is the fact that these tyres drop off so much is just devaluing the racing and overtaking. It makes too all too easy.
Vettel chose a strategy and it's not worked. Hamilton had to make some overtakes for his strategy to work out and he made it happen. This is not artificial like DRS where one car has an advantage over another because they have different capabilities available to them. Vettel and Ferrari have simply got the strategy wrong because the McLarens were able to use their pace to attack.
Do we know what strategy Vettel was on? His last stint has been ridiculously long. The tyre degredation detracts from driver skill and eventually makes overtaking all too easy. Incidently, I agree with you on the DRS.

myurr
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Great line from Coulthard - "The only way that message [from the pits] could have been any scarier would be if it had been delivered in the dark".

chepoi
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Button..... u let "US" down..... :lol:
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hollowBallistix
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myurr wrote:
andrew wrote:Not really. If it was like the Michelin v Bridgestone I wouldn't mind but it is the fact that these tyres drop off so much is just devaluing the racing and overtaking. It makes too all too easy.
Vettel chose a strategy and it's not worked. Hamilton had to make some overtakes for his strategy to work out and he made it happen. This is not artificial like DRS where one car has an advantage over another because they have different capabilities available to them. Vettel and Ferrari have simply got the strategy wrong because the McLarens were able to use their pace to attack.

Edit: In fact the tyre war is more artificial as you're giving different equipment to different drivers. If a driver would have won the race had they been using the other make of tyre but they're contractually stopped from doing so then that is artificial. In this race all the drivers had the same options available to them, and thankfully we have a situation where strategy and drivers can make a difference.
+1

It does not detract from driver skill, it is a skill required from a driver to manage their tyres !!!

MrBlacky
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Great race!

andrew
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hollowBallistix wrote:It does not detract from driver skill, it is a skill required from a driver to manage their tyres !!!
I respectfully disagree.

komninosm
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2 pits is teh fail.
3 ftw
>.<

Tamburello
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Red Bull stuffed the strategy today for Vettel. Should have been an easy win for him with a 3 stopper given the pace of Webber.

mach11
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Great RACE!!!!
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myurr
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andrew wrote:
hollowBallistix wrote:It does not detract from driver skill, it is a skill required from a driver to manage their tyres !!!
I respectfully disagree.
So you don't think Hamilton showed any skill in how he was able to attack all those drivers and make his way through the field? Remember I don't think he got a single overtake due to the DRS.

Vettel mostly made a two stopper work, that was his choice and it got him second. Hamilton beat him because ultimately a three stopper was quicker AND he showed the skill in passing to make his way through the field.

Look at the Ferrari's - 6th and 7th on the same strategy as Vettel. They made a bad call in the way they ran their race. **BUT** it would have worked had Lewis and the others not been able to make those overtakes.