2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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I think the race pace is decent today.

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With this SF90 like trajectory in mind, the SF90 took pole in Japan.
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edit: I wrote nonsense.

Leclerc was much quicker at beginning of stint, Sainz quicker towards the end.
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Great job from the team this day, let's see tomorrow if they keep this level.
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Leclerc will be either on pole by 0.5 - 1s or he will crash out. I see no other scenario.

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dialtone wrote:
15 Sep 2023, 15:48
LEC won all poles in Baku. I don’t know why people are surprised.
I'm not "that" surprised by ferrari being good on this track, as they were good in baku and monaco. However here they look better still, and even sainz is up there. He wasn't earlier in the season.

Even if RB overnight manage to pull some rabit out of the bag, I doubt they're able to bridge a gap this large and consistent. Few tenths in theoretical race pace advantage (best case scenario only) will be of no use this week.

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Ferrari looking decent so far. Good news specifically with the TDs in mind.
Hopefully they can keep up this level going into Saturday and Sunday.

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LEC v VER
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SAI v VER
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LEC (green) v SAI (red)
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* Ferrari has better top speed, particularly with DRS on.
* T1 is alone a pretty big chunk of the difference with LEC, hard to know if Max was simply going easy into T1 but LEC has certainly a different interpretation from SAI.
* Ferrari is very good in the 90deg corners, LEC in particular
* Only fast corner with high DF is last corner and LEC made a pretty big mistake there that SAI didn't and instead matched Max.
* SAI has more top speed advantage than LEC in particularly after T13 where LEC must have made another error.

I think LEC had a great first half of the lap but tires overheated out after T13 as every corner past that shows more signs of bad traction out of corners.
SAI was running an even lap overall and allowed the tires to last through it
VER seems to be chilling a bit more but does have some top speed lacking particularly in the top end of the curve so more aero drag, interesting they aren't pushing the car more in the corners, they shouldn't be even with Ferrari in the corners if they are running more DF.

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dialtone wrote:
15 Sep 2023, 18:22
LEC v VER
https://i.imgur.com/prm7f5a.jpeg

SAI v VER
https://i.imgur.com/QgbL9tQ.jpeg

LEC (green) v SAI (red)
https://i.imgur.com/WoDhybY.jpeg

* Ferrari has better top speed, particularly with DRS on.
* T1 is alone a pretty big chunk of the difference with LEC, hard to know if Max was simply going easy into T1 but LEC has certainly a different interpretation from SAI.
* Ferrari is very good in the 90deg corners, LEC in particular
* Only fast corner with high DF is last corner and LEC made a pretty big mistake there that SAI didn't and instead matched Max.
* SAI has more top speed advantage than LEC in particularly after T13 where LEC must have made another error.

I think LEC had a great first half of the lap but tires overheated out after T13 as every corner past that shows more signs of bad traction out of corners.
SAI was running an even lap overall and allowed the tires to last through it
VER seems to be chilling a bit more but does have some top speed lacking particularly in the top end of the curve so more aero drag, interesting they aren't pushing the car more in the corners, they shouldn't be even with Ferrari in the corners if they are running more DF.
LEC had an Alfa Romeo starting a push lap just in front of him in the final corner, he lifts perhaps some aero wash forcing him to. He can still clean up the final sector, perhaps easier on the tyre in S2. He has a big margin there.
LEC is pushing the braking zones a lot quite a few lock ups during both sessions. Better to feel limits now rather than in qualifying.

Similar to Baku, he find so much time in the twisty bits. Coincidentally they are both the middle sector.

You can even compare his 2019 pole lap here with Seb.

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scuderiabrandon wrote:
15 Sep 2023, 19:31
LEC had an Alfa Romeo starting a push lap just in front of him in the final corner, he lifts perhaps some aero wash forcing him to.
not that it makes much of a difference, but the car ahead of him was Gasly. Probably caused minor turbulances, yeah.

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search wrote:
15 Sep 2023, 20:08
scuderiabrandon wrote:
15 Sep 2023, 19:31
LEC had an Alfa Romeo starting a push lap just in front of him in the final corner, he lifts perhaps some aero wash forcing him to.
not that it makes much of a difference, but the car ahead of him was Gasly. Probably caused minor turbulances, yeah.
Actually it was a Haas. Doesn't really matter I think defintitely a bit of aero wash in the final corner for sure. Regardless the fnal sector needs work.

T14-T16-T18 need work. He'll be solid if he fixes thse whilst maintainig his advantage in S2.

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scuderiabrandon wrote:
15 Sep 2023, 20:24
Actually it was a Haas. Doesn't really matter I think defintitely a bit of aero wash in the final corner for sure. Regardless the fnal sector needs work.
doesn't matter indeed, but it was Gasly ;)

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search wrote:
15 Sep 2023, 20:31
scuderiabrandon wrote:
15 Sep 2023, 20:24
Actually it was a Haas. Doesn't really matter I think defintitely a bit of aero wash in the final corner for sure. Regardless the fnal sector needs work.
doesn't matter indeed, but it was Gasly ;)

https://i.imgur.com/C8PWvkr.png
My bad :lol:

I saw SAI pass a Haas around T16, they were around 15s apart so I figured the Haas slowed down to start a lap

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Mark Hughes says "On the one hand Ferrari historically runs a little lighter than Red Bull on Fridays, but GPS suggests the red cars were running their power units conservatively – leading to the inevitable conclusion that Ferrari is genuinely fast, and that Red Bull – on Friday at least – was genuinely struggling over a single lap", but also adds "its one-two form in the headline times was not repeated in the long runs where its tyre degradation rate was higher than that of Red Bull, Aston Martin and Mercedes."

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KimiRai wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 02:09
Mark Hughes says "On the one hand Ferrari historically runs a little lighter than Red Bull on Fridays, but GPS suggests the red cars were running their power units conservatively – leading to the inevitable conclusion that Ferrari is genuinely fast, and that Red Bull – on Friday at least – was genuinely struggling over a single lap", but also adds "its one-two form in the headline times was not repeated in the long runs where its tyre degradation rate was higher than that of Red Bull, Aston Martin and Mercedes."
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