2013 Spanish Grand Prix - Barcelona

[kooleracer]

The tyres are to funerable. If the stress of and F1 car completly destroys 2 of your tyres alarm bells have to go off at Pirelli. Make better tyres the cars are getting quicker and quicker Pirelli is the limiting factor now and thats not good for the sport. I want to see 2 pitstops max 3 for some races. But most important thing is that the drivers can chose to push or the save there tyres now days there is no choice. I want to see a RACE!!!. You the one where drivers actually drive on the limit and make it hard to pass each other......

[Nomore]

And here we go... i find an article (http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/Pire ... 60785.html) yesterday of Hembery when he says we have the same tyres as in 2011 just that the car are more advanced now...the article is in french

C'mon guys just don't defend the undefendable

They are not the same tyres! you translated it incorrectly.

Les voitures sont beaucoup plus efficaces aérodynamiquement cette année, nous sommes revenus au niveau de 2011, quand il y avait le diffuseur soufflé. Notre nouvelle structure de pneus est aussi plus exigeante avec les gommes. Combinez ces deux choses et des gommes plus tendres et cela explique la différence par rapport à ce que nous avons fait dans le passé."

I'm guessing you went wrong at the fat-marked sentence . He says "we are back at the level of 2011". The level does not point at the tyres, but at the downforce level. He further says that next to the increased DF levels, the new structure of the tyres also push to compounds

Im not wrong he is talking about the tyres (that's why he take the salary). THE TYRES ARE THE SAME AS IN 2011 it is just that the cars now are much more performant (aerodynamically) than in 2011

[turbof1]

Im not wrong he is talking about the tyres (that's why he take the salary). THE TYRES ARE THE SAME AS IN 2011 it is just that the cars now are much more performant (aerodynamically) than in 2011

Ok quote and give me the link where he says that the tyres are the same. FYI, I come from a country where we speak french.

The tyres are not the same. They changed them in 2012, and again for this year. And that my friend, are facts.

Check the above post too (I made an edit, but you answered in the meanwhile); it contains the original interview on youtube, in english.

[Nomore]

Im not wrong he is talking about the tyres (that's why he take the salary). THE TYRES ARE THE SAME AS IN 2011 it is just that the cars now are much more performant (aerodynamically) than in 2011

Ok quote and give me the link where he says that the tyres are the same. FYI, I come from a country where we speak french.

The tyres are not the same. They changed them in 2012, and again for this year. And that my friend, are facts.

Check the above post too (I made an edit, but you answered in the meanwhile); it contains the original interview on youtube, in english.

The link, that i gave above

[turbof1]

Im not wrong he is talking about the tyres (that's why he take the salary). THE TYRES ARE THE SAME AS IN 2011 it is just that the cars now are much more performant (aerodynamically) than in 2011

Ok quote and give me the link where he says that the tyres are the same. FYI, I come from a country where we speak french.

The tyres are not the same. They changed them in 2012, and again for this year. And that my friend, are facts.

Check the above post too (I made an edit, but you answered in the meanwhile); it contains the original interview on youtube, in english.

The link, that i gave above

He only states the DF level is getting near the one in 2011 (check the original interview, which was in english). He also states they changed the structure of the tyre, explaining those 2 elements are the reasons why the compounds are pushed more then before. There's not a single word that states the tyres are the same as in 2011, both in the french article and the original interview. Fact, not opinion.

I'm still waiting for proof.

[Nomore]

They changed them in 2012, and again for this year. And that my friend, are facts

Yes and that's a good thing, now they are back in the 2011 (as a duration) but the cars are more advanced so they need to test in these cars but tests are banned

[turbof1]

They changed them in 2012, and again for this year. And that my friend, are facts

Yes and that's a good thing, now they are back in the 2011 (as a duration) but the cars are more advanced so they need to test in these cars but tests are banned

You are running in circles. If I ask for proof again, you'll get back to that french article which you very poorly translated (he actually said they don't have a test car this year, not that testing is banned). Please stop hinging on that the tyres are the same as in 2011. They aren't; you have been disproven.

[raymondu999]

They changed them in 2012, and again for this year. And that my friend, are facts

Yes and that's a good thing, now they are back in the 2011 (as a duration) but the cars are more advanced so they need to test in these cars but tests are banned

Proof?

Nomore, I think basically turbof1 wants you to quote the sentence or paragraph saying that the tyres are equal-lasting.

[Nomore]

Ok quote and give me the link where he says that the tyres are the same. FYI, I come from a country where we speak french.

The tyres are not the same. They changed them in 2012, and again for this year. And that my friend, are facts.

Check the above post too (I made an edit, but you answered in the meanwhile); it contains the original interview on youtube, in english.[/quote]

The link, that i gave above[/quote]
He only states the DF level is getting near the one in 2011 (check the original interview, which was in english). He also states they changed the structure of the tyre, explaining those 2 elements are the reasons why the compounds are pushed more then before. There's not a single word that states the tyres are the same as in 2011, both in the french article and the original interview. Fact, not opinion.

I'm still waiting for proof.[/quote]

If you don't want to read the link that's another thing, in the youtube interview he didn't mention nothing about 2011

[turbof1]

This is just pure trolling . I've said all that was to it; if you want to keep hanging on to your story based on your "translation faux", then that is your decision. I'm just saying, you are not exactly making yourself shine with it.

Have a nice day sir!

[Nomore]

They changed them in 2012, and again for this year. And that my friend, are facts

Yes and that's a good thing, now they are back in the 2011 (as a duration) but the cars are more advanced so they need to test in these cars but tests are banned

You are running in circles. If I ask for proof again, you'll get back to that french article which you very poorly translated (he actually said they don't have a test car this year, not that testing is banned). Please stop hinging on that the tyres are the same as in 2011.

He didnt say that : "don't have a test car this year" because he will never and ever say that, he can not have a test car form this year. He will have to have 11 cars to make it fair...so it's equal that tests is banned. Because even in the bridgestone era it was not the manufacturer that provide the tests but the teams.

[Nomore]

This is just pure trolling . I've said all that was to it; if you want to keep hanging on to your story based on your "translation faux", then that is your decision. I'm just saying, you are not exactly making yourself shine with it.

Have a nice day sir!

Well in Barcelona we had 4 stops in 2011 in Barcelona 2013 we had 4 stops also...

Only the name of the one that is first is different...guess who is complaining

u too sir..

[bluesmurf]

The race was about on par for a dry F1 race around the Barcelona circuit, dull and uninteresting.

With the tires they have gone a bit too extreme now. I do however see a lot of nonsense in this thread.

The notion that if we had ultra durable tires the drivers would be able to push 100% each lap is nonsense under the current fuel regulations. The cars do not carry enough fuel to do it for starters, it is quicker over a race distance to run the car with less fuel and push less than with enough fuel to push every lap.

Secondly with more durable tires the driver can still not push 100% even if they had the fuel to do so. Even back in 2010 with the Bridgestone tires they could not drive them to the limit every lap. The tires still dropped off but at a much slower pace than the Pirellis.

Thirdly in the refueling era what we got was a lot of overtaking happening in the pit stops through a change of strategy made by the team. Why overtake on track when you can just tweak the strategy a bit and get them through the pit stops? Real racing (I know there were some good overtakes during the refueling days, but there was a whole load of overtaking happening through the pit stops rather than on track)

[Philledan]

Well in Barcelona we had 4 stops in 2011 in Barcelona 2013 we had 4 stops also...

Only the name of the one that is first is different...guess who is complaining

u too sir..

If you are implying that tires are only a small factor, and did not define this race; then you need to wath the race again my friend.I think 95% of all onboard communication we heard had something to do with the tires.
I am a huge fan of F1, and have been for many years. But to see Mr. Vettel, the reigning word champion fyi, leaving the door open to KIMI and let him pass without a fight, because he is racing his own race against his tires; that is no longer racing. Comments like 'i can not drive any slower' should never be said during a race, let alone an F1 race, the pinnacle of motorracing. Yesterday was just a sad day for the sport, including all the fans i must imagine.
Nevertheless, great race from alonso who was able to manage the situation at its best. Congrats to him

[CHT]

Now Pirelli is saying they are doing this because they dont want RBR to dominate the championship.