Bahrain GP 2010 - BIC

[raceman]

Not to mention Webber starting a metre ahead of his grid slot! He was incredibly lucky that wasn't even investigated!

Prost must've dozed off!

digging up old corpse, but never saw anything written about this after the race! well if not got noticed by the stewards, but Fil, where did you find this info?? any source pls. would like to watch a photo if possible.....

[autogyro]

The FIA is not pushing for 'standardization'.
The regulations have always needed to reduce the effects of development in all technical areas.
If this were not the case, the cars would be to powerful and to fast to race on any sensibly sized track.
Standardization should be avoided, unfortunately with ic engines and possibly future aero the issue is being forced by the refusal of Fota and the teams generaly to allow workable regulation.
I dislike the limits on number of engines and gearboxes for a start and abhore ideas for a standard gearbox or for that matter anything else.
Max Mosley retired I believe for two main reasons. One he was sick of the endless battles with vested interest and two because even he was tired after 16 years of constant demanding work that few others could hope to deal with.
I get very annoyed with unfounded accusations about his abilities, those making them are always devoid of any real facts. Even MAX was not always right and sensible criticism should always be accepted. Insult should not.

[segedunum]

The moderators have decided to do their job. The place has looked like a mess for some time. I guess enough was enough.

A lot of these comments are specifically about cars, their performance and behaviour though and not about the Bahrain GP generally............ Typical. Mods aren't around when you need them and then do the wrong thing when it's not completely necessary. Oh well.

[Richard]

Straight line speed isn't everything.

Interesting that Hamilton set his fastest time only 8 minutes into the race, near full tank on soft tyres. Meanwhile Button set his best near the end on harder tyres with a light fuel load.

Alonso and Massa are way down in 12th & 10th

Vettel is last, but interesting that he set his fastest speed trap at the same time as Alonso, so presumably on the same tyre and fuel load. Considering his supremacy at that point, it shows just how good that car is in the twisty bits to make up for being slowest on the straight. Then you realise that Melbourne is much twistier than Bahrain ....

Oh, and speed trap is often bears no relation to best lap - for example Alonso's fastest trap was at 15:57, but his best lap was at 16:35.

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FIA Speed Trap Data

http://fialive.fiacommunications.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Pages/timing.aspx

POS NO  DRIVER         KPH    TIME OF DAY
1    2  L. HAMILTON    314.8  15:08:49
2    1  J. BUTTON      313.2  16:26:37
3   10  N. HULKENBERG  313.1  15:06:51
4   15  V. LIUZZI      311.6  15:48:30
5   11  R. KUBICA      311.5  15:50:38
6   14  A. SUTIL       310.0  15:27:50
7   17  J. ALGUERSUARI 309.3  15:25:42
8   12  V. PETROV      309.1  15:21:24

POS NO  DRIVER         KPH    TIME OF DAY
9    9  R. BARRICHELLO 308.9  15:08:54
10   7  F. MASSA       307.7  16:10:00
11  24  T. GLOCK       307.4  15:30:18
12   8  F. ALONSO      306.6  15:57:56
13   4  N. ROSBERG     306.3  16:40:36
14  22  P. DE LA ROSA  306.2  15:23:35
15  16  S. BUEMI       306.2  16:25:23

POS NO  DRIVER         KPH    TIME OF DAY
16   3  M. SCHUMACHER  306.1  16:32:38
17  21  B. SENNA       305.7  15:17:59
18   6  M. WEBBER      305.6  15:50:20
19  23  K. KOBAYASHI   304.4  15:08:56
20  25  L. DI GRASSI   303.7  15:06:56
21  20  K. CHANDHOK    302.6  15:07:11
22  18  J. TRULLI      302.2  15:51:38
23  19  H. KOVALAINEN  301.3  15:13:19
24   5  S. VETTEL      301.0  15:57:54

[Raptor22]

The FIA is not pushing for 'standardization'.
The regulations have always needed to reduce the effects of development in all technical areas.
If this were not the case, the cars would be to powerful and to fast to race on any sensibly sized track.
Standardization should be avoided, unfortunately with ic engines and possibly future aero the issue is being forced by the refusal of Fota and the teams generaly to allow workable regulation.
I dislike the limits on number of engines and gearboxes for a start and abhore ideas for a standard gearbox or for that matter anything else.
Max Mosley retired I believe for two main reasons. One he was sick of the endless battles with vested interest and two because even he was tired after 16 years of constant demanding work that few others could hope to deal with.
I get very annoyed with unfounded accusations about his abilities, those making them are always devoid of any real facts. Even MAX was not always right and sensible criticism should always be accepted. Insult should not.

well said!

I like a lot of Max's idea's for F1's future and the budget cap idea was at the top of that list.
to make f1 a spectacle worth watching it needs to get back to some basics.

chassis and engines. aerodynamics is killing the sport.

[manchild]

Been looking trough FIA pages...

Very interesting stuff, would be great to know it before the race. Wonder when they get on site?

Check page 12 http://fialive.fiacommunications.com/en ... report.pdf

2010 BAHRAIN GRAND PRIX

From : The FIA Formula One Technical Delegate Document : 28
To : The Stewards of the Meeting Date : 14 March 2010
Time : 13:50

TECHNICAL DELEGATE’S REPORT

The following parts have been replaced during the Parc Fermé yesterday and today:

McLaren Mercedes:

Car 01: Triplex
Auxiliary oil tank vent tube
Car 02: Bib stay bolt
Crank case pressure hose

Mercedes Benz:

Car 03: Rear wing endplate
Sump to floor insert: LHS & RHS rear fixings
Car 04: Rear wing assembly
Sump to floor inserts: LHS front fixings

Red Bull Racing Renault:

Car 05: Engine trumpet retaining clips
Car 06: Engine trumpet retaining clips
Pitot assembly
O-ring on the AVS bottle assembly

Ferrari:

Car 07: Forward plank section
Engine
Tear-off lens of rear laser
Car 08: Tear-off lens of rear laser
Engine

Williams Cosworth:

Car 09: LHS lower water radiator strap
Driver’s radio
Gearbox oil breather
Tyrap block on floor
Car 10: Engine throttle panel assembly
LIU

Renault:

Car 11: Fixing of T-tray cover
Airbox base
RHS front wheel
RWD engine strut bolt
Car 12: Aux oil tank O-ring
O-ring on LHS fuel cell blanking plate
Live lock receptacle on RHS of the bodywork

Force India Mercedes:

Car 14: LHS and RHS front lower wishbone outboard bolt
Chin strut lower fixing bolt
Two tyraps on gearbox loom
Car 15: LHS and RHS front lower wishbone outboard bolt
Chin strut lower fixing bolt
RHS gearbox to floor bracket anchor nut

STR Ferrari:

Car 17: Clutch cooling gasket
Water header tank
Lotus Cosworth:
Car 18: LHS rear wing forward lozenge
Car 19: Steering rack
Floor bolt
LHS front wheel speed sensor
Fuel collector PRV

HRT Cosworth:

Car 20: Steering wheel
Lambda sensor
Power steering supply connector O-ring
Ballast
Rear spring
Seal between radiator and bodywork
Protective temperature film on rear suspension
Car 21: Exhaust primary to secondary pipe fixation nuts and bolts
Lower barge board bracket
Front torsion spring
Rear torsion spring
Seal between radiator and bodywork
Protective temperature film on rear suspension

BMW Sauber Ferrari:

Car 23: Engine pneumatic sensor
Gearbox support bracket
Wiggins at the radiator

Virgin Cosworth:

Car 24: RHS driveshaft boot
Nose cam locks
Ty-rap saddle
RHS rear HIU
Car 25: LHS barge board
Nose cam locks
LHS front track rod inboard bearing
Ty-rap saddle

[audifan]

it is reported that vettel ran out of fuel on the slowing down lap
how did he manage to finish 4th and not run out of fuel earlier ?
is there some device which restricts the supply of fuel to the non-performing cylinder ? because if not he must surely have run out before the end unless he was already in fuel economy mode when the engine was running correctly

how ominous would that be for the hopes of a competitive season

[segedunum]

Every team will sail as close to the wind as possible. Fuel consumption became a big headache for Ferrari.

[audifan]

I agree , but fuel consumption will increase noticeably for a given speed when not running on all cylinders so that he must have saved some to be able to finish

and if he was leading comfortably in fuel saving mode he was going to amble home !

[WhiteBlue]

it is reported that vettel ran out of fuel on the slowing down lap
how did he manage to finish 4th and not run out of fuel earlier ?
is there some device which restricts the supply of fuel to the non-performing cylinder ? because if not he must surely have run out before the end unless he was already in fuel economy mode when the engine was running correctly

We are dealing with a fuel injected engine. As you know the cause of the problem wasn't known until well after the GP. The team thought it was an exhaust.

Logic says that they could not adjust the injection map if they did not know the cause of the failure. So most likely the fuel injector to the cylinder with the damaged spark plug was still operating. This would indicate the fuel consumption was at least on the planned level. It is more likely that they went to a richer setting to compensate for power loss from one cylinder. The lap times indicate that Vettel lost power and then brought the power back up to a certain degree. Such circumstances would be consistent with an increased fuel consumption.

[Mysticf1]

Martin mentioned this during the commentary, he was of the opinion that Vettel stopped to prevent further damage rather than due to fuel.

[marcush.]

of course you cannot manipulate from the pitwall.So adjusting or cutting off the fuel supply of one malfunctioning cylinder has to be already in the ecu prommed or ther is no help during the race.
Of course the non firing cylinder will account for :1/8th of the swept volume lost
plus loss off scavenging and pulses coming from that cylinder in the exhaust helping
the other 3 on that bank.. so more losses .
To compensate your time at full throttle will increase=more fuel to maintain the same power to accelerate.... more fuel consumption....as the car is accelerating most of the timebut now you will be earlier flat out accerating for a longer time .right?

[_GOGGS_]

I have to be honestly blunt and say that I am now embrassed to be an F1 fan. Yesterdays "race" (and I use the term "race" in the loosest possible way) was absolutely terrible and a disgrace.

But this is Max Mosleys F1....

You obviously havn't got a clue about the issue you are talking of. The rules this year are made by FOTA and Montezemolo that was what the break away was all about.

If we had it Max Mosley's way we would have KERS for overtaking and much more freedom of design. But Ferrari managed to give us this wonderfully dull rules to make sure that their budget and resource advantage would give them superiority. With new freedom of design they always face the chance of being beaten by clever guys like Newey.

Sorry, i think the breakaway had more to due with the proposed budget cap.
FOTA as a whole decided to scrap KERS this season. FOTA is not the problem here. The FIA was the one that came up with the rules and regs:

Who's stupid idea was it to use two different tire compounds?
who gave Bstone the freedom to manipulate tire compounds every season and decide which tires teams must use on any given race weekend?
Who decided to reduce the size of the front tires and allow DDD diffusers this season?
Who wrote the technical spec rule book? Do you think perhaps a switch from aeor grip to mech grip might allow the cars to follow more closely and thus give us some real racing?
Who's responsible for governing the sport?

I agree with you that teams need to have more freedom in design. It's the responsibility of the FIA to provide rules and regulations to allow that to happen. Not FOTA.

I love it how some people are able to pin everything negative on Ferrari somehow.

[ESPImperium]

Hows about this layout for next year:



From a guys suggestion over on F1Fanatic.

[WhiteBlue]

Who's stupid idea was it to use two different tire compounds?
who gave Bstone the freedom to manipulate tire compounds every season and decide which tires teams must use on any given race weekend?
Who decided to reduce the size of the front tires and allow DDD diffusers this season?
Who wrote the technical spec rule book? Do you think perhaps a switch from aeor grip to mech grip might allow the cars to follow more closely and thus give us some real racing?
Who's responsible for governing the sport?

I agree with you that teams need to have more freedom in design. It's the responsibility of the FIA to provide rules and regulations to allow that to happen. Not FOTA.

You obviously have no memory of the events between February and July 2009 that shaped the rules for 2010. In a nutshell FOTA made some proposals for changes and insisted that all rules remain as in 2009 except those they had previously agreed to change in February. They basically got that agreed to in the final Paris WMSC meeting when Mosley stepped back and FOTA agreed to a resource restriction agreement to replace the budget cap. In the Concord agreement it was also agreed that the F1 commission would be re instated and that the FiA would have no initiative right with regard to the rule changes. Only the teams in the F1 commission can initiate rule changes except for obvious safety reasons. The WMSC can only reject proposals when they think it will damage F1, they cannot unilaterally set rules and regulations without the teams. This means that every rule change for 2010 is based on FOTA voting in the F1 commission. Consequently they should also be blamed for getting it wrong when things don't work out as planned.

I have already explained the position of the FiA with regard of the appropriate downforce for current F1 cars several times in this thread. Due to team policies we exceed this downforce level by a factor of two or more. The teams have nobody to blame for this but themselves. They have not excepted the FiA proposed downforce limit of 1,25 metric tons and thought they could do it much better. With the refueling ban the lack of overtaking due to the excessive downforce is exaggerated and the show suffers accordingly. Ferrari have publicly lead FOTA in person of the horse whisperer Montezemolo. Naturally he should take the blame for all the obstruction he has caused to a sensible development of the rules. I hope he finds something else to do with his time and exits F1 ASAP.