Italian GP 2010 - Monza

[andrew]

No. He went for a non-existant gap and found a red car in the way.

[Giblet]

The RedBulls have their trick brakes at the bottom of the wheels. Normally,, with the brake being in the vertical or near vertical position, a jolt would put force on the brake in the way they operate, no big deal. By hitting a curb and jolting the brake up, it could cause problems as they are not designed to take much load that way I would think.

[Sean H]

Anyone here thinks it is partly due to the kerbs being so high? as we can see from the video.. Hamilton didn't really had any place to go and if the kerbs is not that high, maybe he can cut the corner.. just maybe..

All cars are equipped with brake pedals and steering wheels. Running into the back of another racer is the drivers fault. No different than when Vettel lost control and speared Button last race. LH even admitted he was totally to blame. The curbs are built that way to keep the cars on track. You race on the track.

One thing we have learned with the Williams and Macca colliding with the rear of the Ferrari, the Ferrari has a very solid rear suspension.

As far as the Macca being faster, I believe that Alonso had Button measured up and was just waiting to see what happened with pitting and strategy first. It would have been a forceful pass, but we all have seen Alonso do it before.

As far as the G4 or whatever being a fuel saver, for all we know they were giving him more to try and stay in touch with Alonso (which he couldn't do) and stay in front of Massa, which I believe took all the speed Button had to do so.

The second half of the race was owned by the Ferraris, if it wasn't for Button's great start, this was a 1-2 walkaway.

the red bulls looked toothless on a fast track.

[ringo]

No. He went for a non-existant gap and found a red car in the way.

Not exactly true. He was in Alonso's shadow, and Massa could have braked as well,or simply stick to the outside curb. No car was in his way really.
Going for a non existent gap only happens when the other car is clearly ahead or is guarding the inside.
Massa hit him in the back too before the front wheel, so it was more like Massa ramming his way through. Massa could easily have ridden the curb, but he wanted to eliminate the man that took the 2008 championship from him, he enjoyed it.

[raymondu999]

A brake was slightly jammed on and slowing the car. Kind of like driving a road car with the hand brake slightly on. I've done it (ahem!) by mistake in an automatic that I wasn't familier with and you would be surprised at how much of a difference it can make.

Right. I've never done it. Really. I swear. Ok fine I did it once too

[andrew]

In my defense the handbrake light was not on.

[Giblet]

No. He went for a non-existant gap and found a red car in the way.

Not exactly true. He was in Alonso's shadow, and Massa could have braked as well,or simply stick to the outside curb. No car was in his way really.
Going for a non existent gap only happens when the other car is clearly ahead or is guarding the inside.
Massa hit him in the back too before the front wheel, so it was more like Massa ramming his way through. Massa could easily have ridden the curb, but he wanted to eliminate the man that took the 2008 championship from him, he enjoyed it.

Massa said in the post-race he had no idea Lewis was there until he felt the bump, so he did nothing but race and get hit by an over exuberant Hamilton who admitted it was entirely his fault.

I would say that makes it entirely his fault, since both drivers agree.

[WhiteBlue]

What's brake binding by the way?

A brake was slightly jammed on and slowing the car. Kind of like driving a road car with the hand brake slightly on. I've done it (ahem!) by mistake in an automatic that I wasn't familier with and you would be surprised at how much of a difference it can make.

That may have been the reason for the lack of speed in qualifying but I do not believe that it caused Seb to say that the engine was dying on him. Horner speculated that a visor tear off could have got into the air box and blocked the air or fuel intake to some cylinders.

[andrew]

What's brake binding by the way?

A brake was slightly jammed on and slowing the car. Kind of like driving a road car with the hand brake slightly on. I've done it (ahem!) by mistake in an automatic that I wasn't familier with and you would be surprised at how much of a difference it can make.

That may have been the reason for the lack of speed in qualifying but I do not believe that it caused Seb to say that the engine was dying on him. Horner speculated that a visor tear off could have got into the air box and blocked the air or fuel intake to some cylinders.

Then he immediately rubbished it. Where would the tear off have gone? It would still be flapping about in there causing problems. Horner stated that until they carry out futher investigations he feels it was a brake binding that was slowing the car, giving the driver a feeling of the engine dying as his speed would have been reduced.

[ringo]

I don't think the ferraris had a big advantage today. Alonso almost looked helpless trying to follow Button. Anyone saw how planted the Mclaren was exiting the chicanes?
I really thought button had it in the bag. But i knew Alonso could make the pace in clean air when needed.
I enjoyed the time battle, this is what i like in F1, refueling would have given us more of what we saw today, a straight fight to the end.
I remember when Button was the fastest on track, Mclaren told him we're in the window. After hearing that Alonso started putting in the speed. Massa was even the fastest guy on the track at some points.
Button then was told to find the pace. Did he find it? No, so Alonso and even Massa could have easily got past.
If it was Hamilton, all that would have needed to be said was "we need 9 qualifying laps Lewis" and the win would be in the bag.

Button drove valiantly and smartly and sometimes looking invincible, but he just doesn't have the pace. His pace was so average, i'm of the opinion Hamilton could have passed him in the stops.
From i saw Alonso holding onto that 0.66s gap i knew He had button under control.

[raymondu999]

What's brake binding by the way?

A brake was slightly jammed on and slowing the car. Kind of like driving a road car with the hand brake slightly on. I've done it (ahem!) by mistake in an automatic that I wasn't familier with and you would be surprised at how much of a difference it can make.

That may have been the reason for the lack of speed in qualifying but I do not believe that it caused Seb to say that the engine was dying on him. Horner speculated that a visor tear off could have got into the air box and blocked the air or fuel intake to some cylinders.

Brake binding? Wow. I thought there was something wrong on Seb's engine in qually as well, but that doesn't matter now. But Seb really did slow down a lot on the lap where Webbo passed him for P7. I don't think he would've been able to take on the front 3 anyways. And this is the 2nd time we've seen a Rosberg train, no? I guess Trulli gave him some lessons.

In my defense the handbrake light was not on.

Mine was. And my hand was on the handbrake too. Pure brainfade on my part. I was wondering what was wrong with the car

[ringo]

No. He went for a non-existant gap and found a red car in the way.

Not exactly true. He was in Alonso's shadow, and Massa could have braked as well,or simply stick to the outside curb. No car was in his way really.
Going for a non existent gap only happens when the other car is clearly ahead or is guarding the inside.
Massa hit him in the back too before the front wheel, so it was more like Massa ramming his way through. Massa could easily have ridden the curb, but he wanted to eliminate the man that took the 2008 championship from him, he enjoyed it.

Massa said in the post-race he had no idea Lewis was there until he felt the bump, so he did nothing but race and get hit by an over exuberant Hamilton who admitted it was entirely his fault.

I would say that makes it entirely his fault, since both drivers agree.

It's funny how Massa didn't see anything. I think he knew exactly what he was doing. He spent so much time explain his actions as well, which is a sign of guilt.
It's Hamilton's fault for believing Massa would fear him and give room. It's Massa's fault for ramming his depleted uranium battle tank into Hamilton, knowing full well it wont even scratch the paint.
I'd say it's a racing incident, but nowhere near Vettel's recent stupidity.

[raymondu999]

If it was Hamilton, all that would have needed to be said was "we need 9 qualifying laps Lewis" and the win would be in the bag.

Errm... that's not what happened last year. He binned it out of Lesmo 1 doing "8 qualifying laps"

[WhiteBlue]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9I7FE2XP3I[/youtube]
HRT right rear wheel mechanic run over during Yamamoto's pit stop.

[timbo]

It's Massa's fault for ramming his depleted uranium battle tank into Hamilton, knowing full well it wont even scratch the paint.

I'd repeat once again, there's no room for two cars in Roggia.
Had Hamilton somehow miraculously made it thru first apex, he'd be in gravel in second.