[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

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those red flag rules never made any sense. Worst example was when a wet race was red flagged, meaning everyone on a dry configuration could set up the car for rain.

[Jackles-UK]

I do agree on the red flag rules needing a tweak. I remember Vettel being handed a win at Monaco in 2011 (I think?) where he ran long, got the red flag and was allowed to change the ruined tyres he’d been running for 50-odd laps for free because of a collision at the swimming pool but, equally, the rules are the same for everyone so it’s not “unfair”, just a roll of the dice.

The most satisfying thing for me today is that McLaren probably had the fastest race car out there today. Yes, the Mercedes in Hamilton’s hands was quick but Bottas struggled all day whereas both McLaren drivers were legitimately fast throughout all periods of the race, in traffic and in free air. I don’t think this has been the case since either Brazil or Austin in 2012 and represents another huge step forward for the team.

[ALO_Power]

Carlos made a great effort today though, having to pass some cars after the restart and then close the gap down definitely consumed his tires much more than Gasly's who simply had to maintain his position in clean air. Definitely if things rolled differently we could had clinched the victory (even an 1-2 maybe!) but it is the way it is and still great result and great points!

[SmallSoldier]

I do agree on the red flag rules needing a tweak. I remember Vettel being handed a win at Monaco in 2011 (I think?) where he ran long, got the red flag and was allowed to change the ruined tyres he’d been running for 50-odd laps for free because of a collision at the swimming pool but, equally, the rules are the same for everyone so it’s not “unfair”, just a roll of the dice.

The most satisfying thing for me today is that McLaren probably had the fastest race car out there today. Yes, the Mercedes in Hamilton’s hands was quick but Bottas struggled all day whereas both McLaren drivers were legitimately fast throughout all periods of the race, in traffic and in free air. I don’t think this has been the case since either Brazil or Austin in 2012 and represents another huge step forward for the team.

Mercedes had the faster car... But, what this race also shows is that when you are running in the midfield, your pace is always compromised... Before the Safety Car, Hamilton had already build a considerable gap to Carlos and even after Ham’s stop and go pistop, he was lapping 1 - 1.5 seconds faster than the rest of the grid.

Bottas seemed to have some issues (and overheating was clear throughout the race), added to a Mclaren with very low DF setup that allowed Lando to keep him at bay in the straights made him stay in the back of the field.


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[Big Tea]

I do agree on the red flag rules needing a tweak. I remember Vettel being handed a win at Monaco in 2011 (I think?) where he ran long, got the red flag and was allowed to change the ruined tyres he’d been running for 50-odd laps for free because of a collision at the swimming pool but, equally, the rules are the same for everyone so it’s not “unfair”, just a roll of the dice.

The most satisfying thing for me today is that McLaren probably had the fastest race car out there today. Yes, the Mercedes in Hamilton’s hands was quick but Bottas struggled all day whereas both McLaren drivers were legitimately fast throughout all periods of the race, in traffic and in free air. I don’t think this has been the case since either Brazil or Austin in 2012 and represents another huge step forward for the team.

The merc's were set up to be infront. Plenty downforce and easy on the cooling. Had they known they had to fight, I'm sure they would have been harder to keep back. Its only a fluke that made it that way.

Not dissing the Mac's, tremendous result and top performance

[M840TR]

Yeah, that's gonna be a good race, there's some more parts coming at the end of this triple header too that may help with the low speed traction a little - it's what they were testing the previous race

Are you referring to the new sidepod deflectors? Or perhaps something mechanical?

[trinidefender]

I do agree on the red flag rules needing a tweak. I remember Vettel being handed a win at Monaco in 2011 (I think?) where he ran long, got the red flag and was allowed to change the ruined tyres he’d been running for 50-odd laps for free because of a collision at the swimming pool but, equally, the rules are the same for everyone so it’s not “unfair”, just a roll of the dice.

The most satisfying thing for me today is that McLaren probably had the fastest race car out there today. Yes, the Mercedes in Hamilton’s hands was quick but Bottas struggled all day whereas both McLaren drivers were legitimately fast throughout all periods of the race, in traffic and in free air. I don’t think this has been the case since either Brazil or Austin in 2012 and represents another huge step forward for the team.

The merc's were set up to be infront. Plenty downforce and easy on the cooling. Had they known they had to fight, I'm sure they would have been harder to keep back. Its only a fluke that made it that way.

Not dissing the Mac's, tremendous result and top performance

Slight correction, to run fast at Monza (where ideal setups are already heavily downforce compromised) in the front, they would have been set up with less downforce. Cars that are expecting to scrap in the midfield will set up with more downforce as they know they are driving behind someone. Driving behind someone reduces drag and downforce already so they will have to add of some for the ideal lap time. Add in that running less downforce to begin with means the percentage reduction of drag with DRS open is lower with a low downforce setup.

[SmallSoldier]

With all the excitement after the P2 and P4 positions... We should probably acknowledge what a great job the team in the Pit Stops, even when they were double stacking the cars!




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[diffuser]

I do agree on the red flag rules needing a tweak. I remember Vettel being handed a win at Monaco in 2011 (I think?) where he ran long, got the red flag and was allowed to change the ruined tyres he’d been running for 50-odd laps for free because of a collision at the swimming pool but, equally, the rules are the same for everyone so it’s not “unfair”, just a roll of the dice.

The most satisfying thing for me today is that McLaren probably had the fastest race car out there today. Yes, the Mercedes in Hamilton’s hands was quick but Bottas struggled all day whereas both McLaren drivers were legitimately fast throughout all periods of the race, in traffic and in free air. I don’t think this has been the case since either Brazil or Austin in 2012 and represents another huge step forward for the team.

Oh, I remember that. Adding insult to injury to that was it spoiled a great end to a race with Alonso on mediums and Vettel on fading softs.

[diffuser]

I do agree on the red flag rules needing a tweak. I remember Vettel being handed a win at Monaco in 2011 (I think?) where he ran long, got the red flag and was allowed to change the ruined tyres he’d been running for 50-odd laps for free because of a collision at the swimming pool but, equally, the rules are the same for everyone so it’s not “unfair”, just a roll of the dice.

The most satisfying thing for me today is that McLaren probably had the fastest race car out there today. Yes, the Mercedes in Hamilton’s hands was quick but Bottas struggled all day whereas both McLaren drivers were legitimately fast throughout all periods of the race, in traffic and in free air. I don’t think this has been the case since either Brazil or Austin in 2012 and represents another huge step forward for the team.

The merc's were set up to be infront. Plenty downforce and easy on the cooling. Had they known they had to fight, I'm sure they would have been harder to keep back. Its only a fluke that made it that way.

Not dissing the Mac's, tremendous result and top performance

I kind of disagree with that statement. I agree the Merc's could have setup the car differently to come through the field easier. I do think they setup the car for ultimum lap time. So changing it, would have made them slower overall.

[Big Tea]

I do agree on the red flag rules needing a tweak. I remember Vettel being handed a win at Monaco in 2011 (I think?) where he ran long, got the red flag and was allowed to change the ruined tyres he’d been running for 50-odd laps for free because of a collision at the swimming pool but, equally, the rules are the same for everyone so it’s not “unfair”, just a roll of the dice.

The most satisfying thing for me today is that McLaren probably had the fastest race car out there today. Yes, the Mercedes in Hamilton’s hands was quick but Bottas struggled all day whereas both McLaren drivers were legitimately fast throughout all periods of the race, in traffic and in free air. I don’t think this has been the case since either Brazil or Austin in 2012 and represents another huge step forward for the team.

The merc's were set up to be infront. Plenty downforce and easy on the cooling. Had they known they had to fight, I'm sure they would have been harder to keep back. Its only a fluke that made it that way.

Not dissing the Mac's, tremendous result and top performance

Slight correction, to run fast at Monza (where ideal setups are already heavily downforce compromised) in the front, they would have been set up with less downforce. Cars that are expecting to scrap in the midfield will set up with more downforce as they know they are driving behind someone. Driving behind someone reduces drag and downforce already so they will have to add of some for the ideal lap time. Add in that running less downforce to begin with means the percentage reduction of drag with DRS open is lower with a low downforce setup.

Thanks

[michl420]

The red flag rule have changend so many times. It's impossible to make it fair. Would stroll be 23 sec in front before red flag the rule would be completely fair.

[diffuser]

The red flag rule have changend so many times. It's impossible to make it fair. Would stroll be 23 sec in front before red flag the rule would be completely fair.

That isn't the red flag rule, that's the accident. They would have had a safety car at the minimum and that built up lead would have been lost anyways.

I actually think you should allow the tire change but force a pit drive thru penalty with it. That would be fair. They're still gaining 5 seconds from not having to come to a full stop and swap tire. They also save on the risk of something going wrong in a regular pitstop.

[M840TR]

The red flag rule have changend so many times. It's impossible to make it fair. Would stroll be 23 sec in front before red flag the rule would be completely fair.

That isn't the red flag rule, that's the accident. They would have had a safety car at the minimum and that built up lead would have been lost anyways.

I actually think you should allow the tire change but force a pit drive thru penalty with it. That would be fair. They're still gaining 5 seconds from not having to come to a full stop and swap tire. They also save on the risk of something going wrong in a regular pitstop.

That drive through would put you at the back of the field since everyone's bunched up on restart. Just prohibiting tire change under red flag would do because it serves everyone.

[M840TR]

I do agree on the red flag rules needing a tweak. I remember Vettel being handed a win at Monaco in 2011 (I think?) where he ran long, got the red flag and was allowed to change the ruined tyres he’d been running for 50-odd laps for free because of a collision at the swimming pool but, equally, the rules are the same for everyone so it’s not “unfair”, just a roll of the dice.

The most satisfying thing for me today is that McLaren probably had the fastest race car out there today. Yes, the Mercedes in Hamilton’s hands was quick but Bottas struggled all day whereas both McLaren drivers were legitimately fast throughout all periods of the race, in traffic and in free air. I don’t think this has been the case since either Brazil or Austin in 2012 and represents another huge step forward for the team.

The merc's were set up to be infront. Plenty downforce and easy on the cooling. Had they known they had to fight, I'm sure they would have been harder to keep back. Its only a fluke that made it that way.

Not dissing the Mac's, tremendous result and top performance

Slight correction, to run fast at Monza (where ideal setups are already heavily downforce compromised) in the front, they would have been set up with less downforce. Cars that are expecting to scrap in the midfield will set up with more downforce as they know they are driving behind someone. Driving behind someone reduces drag and downforce already so they will have to add of some for the ideal lap time. Add in that running less downforce to begin with means the percentage reduction of drag with DRS open is lower with a low downforce setup.

It's different for every car based on its characteristics. Button had a huge wing in 2010 yet he almost won. But the Mcl34 couldn't handle low-df config so the best lap time was with a higher df setup than the Renaults & Ferraris etc. The particular way air travels through a car would determine this.

Every car is set up for the ideal lap time. e.g This weekend the Mclarens ran less df than most yet they had problems with turbulent air since Friday.

The Merc couldn't get pass the midfield because of engine overheating and Bottas's driving.