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[Neno]

Interesting, engine power is crucial in Sao Paulo, since its some way above sea level.

or it´s the same because all engines regardless of make suffers the same consequence?

So if you sit on 10 extra horses compared to the rest, chances are you will have that same advantage in Brazil as well.

also new engine compared with already used have about 6-10 extra horses, teams who save new engine for Brasil, compared with teams who dont, if you count in that sea level, this can be huge advantage for them.

[Dragonfly]

BTW: Some Articles even said Vettel indeed used a ninth engine, so nothing is for sure. Maybe ESPImperium has an insight (he always had posted engine numbers last year) ...

Just a look in the FIA Technical Delegate report on Sunday is enough to clear all about what has been done and changed. So, if there had been a 9-th engine we would have read about it.

[Nando]

Yes. It was only at the time of NA and turbo engines, where there was a big advantage in having a turbo. Otherwise, all suffer.

I was under the impression it was the turbo engines that was the most sensitive to high altitudes?
But maybe i just switched it in my head,

I guess what they did was up the boost to get the same amount of air into the engine as you would at a track closer to sea level?

[.poz]

also new engine compared with already used have about 6-10 extra horses, teams who save new engine for Brasil, compared with teams who dont, if you count in that sea level, this can be huge advantage for them.

i disagree. the 6-10 extra horse bonus of new engine suffer the same % loss for the altitude so the absolute gain is lower

[aral]

also new engine compared with already used have about 6-10 extra horses, teams who save new engine for Brasil, compared with teams who dont, if you count in that sea level, this can be huge advantage for them.

i disagree. the 6-10 extra horse bonus of new engine suffer the same % loss for the altitude so the absolute gain is lower

But the trouble is that all teams are on their eighth engine, so any new engine would entail a grid penalty.
In my opinion, RBR should have put in a new engine, availing of a ninth engine, free of penalty, so that when they came to Brazil, they would have nine engines in the equation, whilst all others would only have eight! A missed oportunity maybe?

[zonk]

They have to scrap the one replaced by nine one

[loyfah]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... d4k#t=418s

Do any of you see any movement ?

[Cam]

Out of 10mins of video, only about 20secs is of the redbull driving (approx 7:00) and that angle is very hard to tell. Maybe trim the video to remove the others cars (red bull thread). If that was focused just on the RB for a few laps it might be a critical piece of footage. Opportunity missed.

[loyfah]

Out of 10mins of video, only about 20secs is of the redbull driving (approx 7:00) and that angle is very hard to tell. Maybe trim the video to remove the others cars (red bull thread). If that was focused just on the RB for a few laps it might be a critical piece of footage. Opportunity missed.

from 07:05 to 07:50, that is 45 sec. And i linked the video from the 07:05 mark(so people did need to find the part i was talking about). Surely someone will find this interesting.

When the car is accelerating down the main straight you should see some movement, for the bending-FW-hypotheses to be correct. Maybe i have misunderstood the reason why they want the FW to be bending.

[triart3d]

Engine nº8, was used in india and qualy.
If RB install a new engine, the nº9, then this art. apply:
"e) If an engine is changed in accordance with Article 34.1 (parc fermé) the engine which was replaced may not be used during any future qualifying session or race with the exception of the last Event of the Championship"

Use a new engine in Abu Dhabi, was a risk. Any can cause an accident,and a engine failure was posible.
and as eigth shall be used only in Brazil, its a safe and a best option use new engine on Austin or in Brazil

[triart3d]

Interesting picture here...old BAR honda. Impact attenuator inside the shell?

now, add a external shell with vertical flexibility, and a rubber in last 15cm:
You'll have Red Bull nose cone

[Intego]

Source pls?

[Intego]

Engine nº8, was used in india and qualy.
If RB install a new engine, the nº9, then this art. apply:
"e) If an engine is changed in accordance with Article 34.1 (parc fermé) the engine which was replaced may not be used during any future qualifying session or race with the exception of the last Event of the Championship"

Use a new engine in Abu Dhabi, was a risk. Any can cause an accident,and a engine failure was posible.
and as eigth shall be used only in Brazil, its a safe and a best option use new engine on Austin or in Brazil

Sorry guys, my question for a source belonged to the post above, because I've read of three versions till now:
- engine #8 since India
- engine #8 since Abu Dhabi
- engine #9 since Abu Dhabi

[Ceki]

http://www.vivaf1.com/reliability.php#
Then go to engine cycle

[hollus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... d4k#t=418s

Do any of you see any movement ?

Actually it moves, not a massive amount, but it moves. To be more exact, the camera rotates (the displacement would be small in the vertical direction), which means that at speed it is pointing more upwards:


The two halves are clipped from the same video window, about 40 seconds apart, just mirrored and aligned by the edges of the video area.
It is easier to see using a magnifier tool, but it can be noticed also in the standard window. Go to the beginning (7 minutes mark), place your mouse pointer somewhere of interest, leave it there, and see that parts of the car change position (or not) with speed. The roll hoop camera housing moves by about 4 pixels with the default 360p video resolution. The top of the sidepod turning vane is also a good target, it moves a bit less, see below.
The nose camera rotates most at high speed and less at low speed or when the car is braking, consistent with a drag induced pendulum movement.
It is a small movement, but real and consistent.

E pur si muove.

Edit: The larger movement of the roll hoop camera compared to the sidepod vane cannot be explained by the different distances as I first said; the linear movement is less, but the angular movement should be the same. A model where the nose camera rotates by about 2 degrees and dives down 1-2 cm seems to more or less match (the diving of the nose opposes the effect of the rotation seen in the video, moving objects upwards, so that might make the rotation 3 degrees). Anyone with a HR video version willing to do proper triangulations?