Scuderia Ferrari 2012

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bhallg2k wrote:
WhiteBlue wrote:In my view top teams are those who can compete for the championships to the end. A top driver like Alonso, Vettel or Hamilton can sign with a top team without fear that the car will not be competitive.
By that rationale, a top team doesn't exist in Formula One. In fact, the last team to have such status was...you guessed it...Ferrari!
I disagree. Red Bull have run competitively to the end of the seasons 2009, 2010 and 2011. They have either dominated or have carried the fight until the penultimate round. I don't think any top driver would have worried to sign with them this year. I also think tat they will carry the fight to the end again this season. But that is only my personal opinion. I'm prepared to agree to disagree on the total issue since you seem to hold very strong and emotionally anchored views on the issue.
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I'm passionately devoted to logic and good sense. As such, I'm going to decline any further entreaties on the subject as currently stated. My experience on this forum has taught me that certain positions are presented with a considerable bias one way or another, nationalistic and otherwise, and there's no point in even discussing them, as they originate from an intractable source (that's usually somewhere in Bavaria).

While I'm proudly a Ferrari fan, you will not find anyone on this forum who has been more critical of their mistakes and of the obvious situations that have caused them. But, make no mistake, it is my fervent desire to see a Ferrari team so dominant that even Schumacher, Brawn and Todt have no choice but to stand in stunned, slack-jawed awe when confronted by the sheer spectacle of two brilliant, rosso corsa bullets making a mockery of both the record books and commonly held notions of possibility. I want to see drivers from rival teams openly pondering career changes to fields with immeasurably better odds for success, like nuclear physics or time travel. I want the whole world to know the lyrics to Il Canto degli Italiani because they've been exposed to it like clockwork after the checkered flag drops at the end of every grand prix.

I recognize that the chances of that happening are about the same as you and I ever agreeing on anything. But, I will always be comforted by a warm, beating heart that dares to dream rather than one that cowers at the feet of pious self-righteousness.

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We discussed a rumor earlier in this thread, about ferrari going to hire a top aerodynamicist (then everybody suspected it could be Prodromou). Are there any uppdates about that?
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shelly wrote:We discussed a rumor earlier in this thread, about ferrari going to hire a top aerodynamicist then everybody suspected it could be Prodromou). Are there any uppdates about that?
Nothing yet. Maybe we can expect it after Barcelona if/when when the upgrades don't work.

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Qualifying performance in China suggests that Ferrari is still a #4 team in temrs of dry performance. They are actually struggling with Sauber and their twice WDC driver Alonso is saving the jobs of the management if you follow the international racing press.
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shelly wrote:We discussed a rumor earlier in this thread, about ferrari going to hire a top aerodynamicist (then everybody suspected it could be Prodromou). Are there any uppdates about that?
They have recruited umpteen 'top' aerodynamacists that have been highly regarded and had their fair share of success at other teams. It's made seemingly little difference. All these aerodynamacists seem to be out of the revolving door not long after. Whether they aren't as good as Ferrari thought or they've simply had a falling out is open to question.

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WhiteBlue wrote:Qualifying performance in China suggests that Ferrari is still a #4 team in temrs of dry performance. They are actually struggling with Sauber and their twice WDC driver Alonso is saving the jobs of the management if you follow the international racing press.
Rumours in the Italian papers are that Tombazis will get the boot if the Barcelona upgrade does not bring them towards the front of the grid.

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Maybe Newey will fancy writing the latest pages of his life-book in red and stamp it with a prancing horse?

Considering the rude awakening Red Bull has gotten this might actually happen in the near future.
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munudeges wrote: They have recruited umpteen 'top' aerodynamacists that have been highly regarded and had their fair share of success at other teams. It's made seemingly little difference. All these aerodynamacists seem to be out of the revolving door not long after. Whether they aren't as good as Ferrari thought or they've simply had a falling out is open to question.
umpteen? Really? Who? What top aerodynamicist have Ferrari recruited that had their fair share of success at other teams?

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Nando wrote:Maybe Newey will fancy writing the latest pages of his life-book in red and stamp it with a prancing horse?

Considering the rude awakening Red Bull has gotten this might actually happen in the near future.
I doubt it. Newey has turned down Ferrari many times in the past. Ascanelli might be a closer bet though.
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Nando wrote:Maybe Newey will fancy writing the latest pages of his life-book in red and stamp it with a prancing horse?

Considering the rude awakening Red Bull has gotten this might actually happen in the near future.
Very little logic in that proposal. Newey will not fit into the Italian team and he loves the comforts of living at home in England. Red Bull have given him a team that is 100% organized to his every whim. He can run it as if he owns it. On top they pay him obscene money like a top driver salary. Whatever Ferrari offer Mateschitz will always top it because he will not allow Ferrari to buy the guy away. The Red bull exhaust solution may not be on McLaren level but it is by no means as bad as Ferrari's. Ferrari will never get Newey IMHO.
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I don't want Adrian Newey at Ferrari. That's not because I doubt his talents at all; wherever he goes, he finds considerable success. But, because of that, I think beating Newey would be more satisfying than winning with him.

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bhallg2k wrote:I don't want Adrian Newey at Ferrari. That's not because I doubt his talents at all; wherever he goes, he finds considerable success. But, because of that, I think beating Newey would be more satisfying than winning with him.
I don't want Newey, although he's pretty high on Ferrari's list. I would settle for Prodromou. Hopefully he wants to stretch his wings away from Adrian and build his own success. At Ferrari that is, not RB.

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WhiteBlue wrote:Very little logic in that proposal. Newey will not fit into the Italian team and he loves the comforts of living at home in England. Red Bull have given him a team that is 100% organized to his every whim. He can run it as if he owns it. On top they pay him obscene money like a top driver salary. Whatever Ferrari offer Mateschitz will always top it because he will not allow Ferrari to buy the guy away. The Red bull exhaust solution may not be on McLaren level but it is by no means as bad as Ferrari's. Ferrari will never get Newey IMHO.
Logic when discussing what Newey might want to do to finish his career?
Sure he´s turned down the offers but considering that he probably won´t be around for many more years i´d say that there´s still a chance he would want to design some Ferrari cars.

He´s been with the biggest teams, why would he not go to Ferrari?
"doesn´t fit in" seems vague as the whole team would eat grapes from his palm if he´d ever come around.
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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:
bhallg2k wrote:I don't want Adrian Newey at Ferrari. That's not because I doubt his talents at all; wherever he goes, he finds considerable success. But, because of that, I think beating Newey would be more satisfying than winning with him.
I don't want Newey, although he's pretty high on Ferrari's list. I would settle for Prodromou. Hopefully he wants to stretch his wings away from Adrian and build his own success. At Ferrari that is, not RB.
I doubt it - but never say never. I think though if it would happen - it would be to take Fry's job, not Tombazis' job. He currently already has Tombazis' equivalent job at RBR, and I think he's very happy there.
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