2012 Singaporean GP - Marina Bay

[Shrieker]

I don't get the supposed advantage supersofts will provide during the race. If you make an extra stop for supersofts; let's say you can do 13 laps on it all of which are full 1.5 seconds faster than the soft tyres, then you'll be gaining what - 13*1.5 = 19.5 seconds compared to a stint on softs. In this thread I also read that a pit stop here costs a whopping 37 seconds. That means a net ~17 seconds loss of time. But then again, what will the pace be like on worn softs ? That's crucial too.

Then there's the safety car too. Ok I give up lol

[beelsebob]

2 or 3 stop. It all comes down to the Super Softs and their longevity.

who knows, they might be completely shot by lap 8 for all we know.

Agreed, but it depends. The track will rubber in during the race, so the last set of tyres will last longer.

True, i guess if there´s a lot of safety car periods you could gamble on a set of SS in the end.

Hamilton has a massive advantage in the pits as well. Sometimes he puts a second on guys in the pits alone.
They have really been superior after the embarrassment in the beginning of the year.

There was a point at which I made a claim that McLaren, being McLaren would almost certainly have done the maths on their pit stop procedures and wheel nut designs, and that they almost certainly would have figured out that the gain over a season would be greater than the loss due to occasional failures. It appears it's working out that way now doesn't it.

[dren]

I don't get the supposed advantage supersofts will provide during the race. If you make an extra stop for supersofts; let's say you can do 13 laps on it all of which are full 1.5 seconds faster than the soft tyres, then you'll be gaining what - 13*1.5 = 19.5 seconds compared to a stint on softs. In this thread I also read that a pit stop here costs a whopping 37 seconds. That means a net ~17 seconds loss of time. But then again, what will the pace be like on worn softs ? That's crucial too.

I bet the gap is larger compared to the cars going for fewer stops. The more stops you have the harder you can push your tires.

[NathanOlder]

Igor haha

but you can´t deny his pace, my god Igor can drive the wheels of that car.

I´m just scared for tomorrow seeing as Maldonado and Hamilton are very much similar in their mindset.
True fighters but i´m hoping Wolf have told Maldo that they want the car back in one piece.
2nd place would be perfect to take some points of Vettel and Alonso.
Also hope Button does a team effort here.

I think even if Maldo goes lunging into turn 1 the Track layout will be kind to Lewis as he can jump out the way and keep his position resuming the lead into turn 3. or at worse losing 1or2 places. The Mclaren has been fast in the speed traps so it rill all be fine from Lewis' side

[beelsebob]

Igor haha

but you can´t deny his pace, my god Igor can drive the wheels of that car.

I´m just scared for tomorrow seeing as Maldonado and Hamilton are very much similar in their mindset.
True fighters but i´m hoping Wolf have told Maldo that they want the car back in one piece.
2nd place would be perfect to take some points of Vettel and Alonso.
Also hope Button does a team effort here.

I think even if Maldo goes lunging into turn 1 the Track layout will be kind to Lewis as he can jump out the way and keep his position resuming the lead into turn 3. or at worse losing 1or2 places. The Mclaren has been fast in the speed traps so it rill all be fine from Lewis' side

Bear in mind that two consecutive years lewis has been involved in passes down the one place they're possible here, and two years running, been punted out in one way or another.

[NathanOlder]

I don't get the supposed advantage supersofts will provide during the race. If you make an extra stop for supersofts; let's say you can do 13 laps on it all of which are full 1.5 seconds faster than the soft tyres, then you'll be gaining what - 13*1.5 = 19.5 seconds compared to a stint on softs. In this thread I also read that a pit stop here costs a whopping 37 seconds. That means a net ~17 seconds loss of time. But then again, what will the pace be like on worn softs ? That's crucial too.

I bet the gap is larger compared to the cars going for fewer stops. The more stops you have the harder you can push your tires.

Really 37 seconds?

[beelsebob]

Really 37 seconds?

Yeh, 37 stops sounds off, It's not a long pit lane, so I'd bet more like 15-20 seconds cost. The result – a net roughly 0 gained, but you'd need to make a bunch of overtakes, so it still doesn't sound like it's worth it.

[NathanOlder]

I think its nearer 30 for the GP2 guys, but thats down to the slow wheel changes

[Nando]

If you go in for a late stop while everyone else is nurturing their car around trying to make their softs last to the end you will be looking at easily 2-3 seconds per lap. I think even 4s for the mid-fielders.


At Monza with Perez it was 1,7s and that´s no corners basically. Here you have lots of them.

It´s what, 1,5s between the compounds new. It would be night and day with a close to finished Soft and a brand new sticky SS.

[Shrieker]

You could end up risking yourself in traffic though. We will see. If it's not as long as 37 seconds, then it sure makes a switch to supersofts at one point viable when you factor in the safety car too.

[Chuckjr]

...If Maldonado does knock out Hamilton, Hamilton will come to fists with him. I'll put money on that one too.

This race is usually a bore-fest but with the tires this year I expect the last 15 or so laps to be pretty wild.

Truth. If Mr. Punt Maldo takes out Hammy its going to get extremely ugly. Extremely.

The fact that Merc may start (and my guess is they will as they just don't have pace and need to do an odd strategy to have a possible chance to get lucky) on softs really throws a monkey wrench into this thing especially if there's a safety car, and I think that's almost a gaurentee on this track engulfed in champions corners. I don't think there's any way to know how this one will turn out. It certainly won't be a sleeper. If Lewis does not get in front on first corner things will get interesting very quickly. He most likely will but I still don't think it will be a walk. RB and Ferrari usually have great race pace so this is anything but decided. Can't wait for tomorrow. Good times ahead.

[netoperek]

Hamilton is in a bit awkward position with Maldonado behind him In case he's not sure if he can outstart Pastor considerably, he will be very motivated to do so and avoid being smashed from behind on the first corner

[beelsebob]

The other thing to take into consideration with pit stop strategy is that Hamilton being out in front may be able to go a couple of laps longer... That may give him a big advantage if the safety car hits.

[Mika1]

The other thing to take into consideration with pit stop strategy is that Hamilton being out in front may be able to go a couple of laps longer... That may give him a big advantage if the safety car hits.

SC will play a big role here, I expect at least two SC situations.

[JMN]

Really 37 seconds?

James Allen has it listed as 26 seconds for a pit stop with a 24 seconds loss relative to running on track. Sounds somewhat more reasonable.