2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[Capharol]

Albert Fabrega mention today the Spec 4 is bringing 20 HP more. Assuming the data is correct, it is interesting if this 20HP are for Honda improvements alone or is including the Exxon Mobil new fuels and lubricants.

https://twitter.com/FOXSportsArg/status ... 9216931841

Around the 1:27 of the video, Albert mention the 20 hp.

only 20 ?!! hard to swallow after all the hype tbh.

what do you expect ...50 hp?, 70 hp?
do you have any idea what 20 hp does with a F1 car?

[Wouter]

Albert Fabrega mention today the Spec 4 is bringing 20 HP more. Assuming the data is correct, it is interesting if this 20HP are for Honda improvements alone or is including the Exxon Mobil new fuels and lubricants.

https://twitter.com/FOXSportsArg/status ... 9216931841

Around the 1:27 of the video, Albert mention the 20 hp.

only 20 ?!! hard to swallow after all the hype tbh.

what do you expect ...50 hp?, 70 hp?
do you have any idea what 20 hp does with a F1 car?

The point is that first there were noises from a huge upgrade > 25 HP or KW.
The biggest upgrade of this season and then 20 HP is a bit disappointing.

[Capharol]

only 20 ?!! hard to swallow after all the hype tbh.

what do you expect ...50 hp?, 70 hp?
do you have any idea what 20 hp does with a F1 car?

The point is that first there were noises from a huge upgrade > 25 HP or KW.
The biggest upgrade of this season and then 20 HP is a bit disappointing.

honestly, you find a difference of 5 hp disappointing ..... but if this lose of 5 hp means they can turn up the engine without blowing it up and 25 hp with blow up.... i choose the 20 hp
I mean sometimes "less is more"

and are these numbers coming from Honda directly?
if so, who says these numbers are the truth, maybe its more but Honda doesn't want to divulge the true numbers?

but still if its only 20 hp, 20 hp is better then 15 to nothing or 20+ with reliablilty issues

[auv]

honestly, you find a difference of 5 hp disappointing ..... but if this lose of 5 hp means they can turn up the engine without blowing it up and 25 hp with blow up.... i choose the 20 hp
I mean sometimes "less is more"

and are these numbers coming from Honda directly?
if so, who says these numbers are the truth, maybe its more but Honda doesn't want to divulge the true numbers?

but still if its only 20 hp, 20 hp is better then 15 to nothing or 20+ with reliablilty issues

Indeed. Who said that Honda brings 20 hp ? Maybe, it's just 10 or 12 ? "Less is more".

[Espresso]

honestly, you find a difference of 5 hp disappointing ..... but if this lose of 5 hp means they can turn up the engine without blowing it up and 25 hp with blow up.... i choose the 20 hp
I mean sometimes "less is more"

and are these numbers coming from Honda directly?
if so, who says these numbers are the truth, maybe its more but Honda doesn't want to divulge the true numbers?

but still if its only 20 hp, 20 hp is better then 15 to nothing or 20+ with reliablilty issues

Indeed. Who said that Honda brings 20 hp ? Maybe, it's just 10 or 12 ? "Less is more".

Up until now Honda has given and surpassed there expectations (and not promises!) of increase in engine performance again and again.

The debate & remarks in the last few post about they promise mountains of hp en delivering only a small heap is history. That truly refers to another engine manufacturer.

[KelsO]

Usually more reliable news about the upgrade appears during or after the race weekend. We need to wait.
But AMUS writes about 25 with fuel, which will be only in Russia.
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... baustufen/

Honda's new engine is expected to grow in the double-digit range. More than the new V6 turbos from Mercedes and Renault. Together with a new gasoline, which should come to GP Russia, it should be around 25 more horsepower, which saddles the Honda V6. At Max Verstappen Red Bull will wait until Monza. One does not want to obstruct the chances of victory in Belgium by punishment. Red Bull hopes for the Verstappen factor in Spa.

[IvailoStefanovBG]

only 20 ?!! hard to swallow after all the hype tbh.

what do you expect ...50 hp?, 70 hp?
do you have any idea what 20 hp does with a F1 car?

The point is that first there were noises from a huge upgrade > 25 HP or KW.
The biggest upgrade of this season and then 20 HP is a bit disappointing.

I remember we were a bit disappointed after France also....

[Datco]

only 20 ?!! hard to swallow after all the hype tbh.

what do you expect ...50 hp?, 70 hp?
do you have any idea what 20 hp does with a F1 car?

The point is that first there were noises from a huge upgrade > 25 HP or KW.
The biggest upgrade of this season and then 20 HP is a bit disappointing.

If you choose to beleive noises, disappointment is your own doing. Even these quoted figures are just noises. It could end up being no gain at all.

[Bill]

Disappointment in France was a result of poor cooling not just France but Canada too ones the solved that in Austria they started flying.they wouldn't call it an upgrade unless it bring performance improvements believing otherwise is just silly.

[hasika]

Tanabe san interview(only part translation of the article )
https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=2019 ... 7-rcg-moto
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――What's the difference between Spec3 and Spec4,how is the improvement?
Tanabe san：Performance and reliability,i think we got a good balance,then we had a power gain,the new Spec engine is something like this.

――The Spec3 is mainly about a upgraded turbo,then some minor modification about ICE.So how is Spec4?
Tanabe san：Neither MGU-H nor Turbo,mainly ICE.

——Does it mean that the combustion efficiency has increased?
Tanabe TD: Improvement of combustion system.

——The reliability improvement is about ICE?
Tanabe san：Yes,as we did with Spec3,our development aims to use the PU as longer as possible when we release its maximum potential.So both performance and reliability must be better than Spec3.The Spec 4 is a reaching point.

——The imprvoment is bigger than Spec3?
Tanabe san：Secret（Smile all over his face）.

――Your smile tells everything...
Tanabe san：haha（laugh）.The upgrade we bring to this race,(the performance gain)is something we can see with our eyes.

――No new fuels？
Tanabe san：Just unable to introduce new fuels at the same timing.

[IvailoStefanovBG]

Tanabe san interview(only part translation of the article )
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——The imprvoment is bigger than Spec3?
Tanabe san：Secret（Smile all over his face）.

――Your smile tells everything...
Tanabe san：haha（laugh）.The upgrade we bring to this race,(the performance gain)is something we can see with our eyes.

This looks very promising....

[gokarter]

looks promising. just have to wait for new fuel to get the most of it i think.

[Big Tea]

20 hp, so what?

20 hp MORE yessss!!!

Also 20hp how? just on the 'end' at max rpm? or from 8krpm on up?

[nzjrs]

Watching Albons FP1 oboards, he looks Button esq smooth. 0.2 behind Max at the moment

[Bill]

I think Albon is on low fuel to build confidence and new pu can be run hot