2014 Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps

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The rules are rather ambigiously on this. You have to leave space before the corner, but there's nothing about during or even after the corner.

Worse is that the stewards don't or probably even can't apply action in a consistent way. Judging these things are on a case-by-case base.

Logic sense dictates that responsibility falls to the person making the manoeuvre. Hamilton was on the racing line and not making a manoeuvre. Rosberg was off the line and making the manoeuvre. The one doing it has the responsibility.
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I wonder if they kept Hamilton out driving around for an hour to wear him out a bit. Had he retired after only a couple of laps he would still have been apoplectic getting out of the car. A bit of controlled release seems to have done him good.

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Puts Monaco's events into a bit of perspective doesn't it?

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Regardless of the what people's interpretation of the rules are, you really just need to look at this picture from Rosberg's onboard camera taken just before the contact and consider what Rosberg is trying to achieve.

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The thing to notice is that Rosberg is extremely close to Hamilton here and he is turning towards him. There are only 2 things Rosberg can be trying to do here. He's either trying to hit Hamilton or he's trying to slot in behind him. I'm not cynical enough to believe the former and there's no grounds to debate the matter so let's go with the less damning 'trying to slot in behind him'.

It's also important to note that Rosberg by this point has already turned away from Hamilton once after turning too strongly into the first corner, losing what was left of his momentum. He's trying to slot in behind him as he has already given up the corner, it is absolutely his responsibility to make sure he doesn't hit the car infront whilst doing that. As you can see there is plenty of room to the left, enough to back out properly and slot in behind safely. He failed to do that.

As far as incidents go it's not a bad one and Rosberg certainly doesn't deserve the vilification he has and will continue to receive for it, if Hamilton didn't get a puncture noone would've cared less, but to claim it was anything other than Rosberg's fault is absurd.

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Wow....

I mean i had a feeling the guy was dirty from Monaco, then Canada and now this but i would never say it out loud.
We have to wait for real quotes but this is mental if true.
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Holly hell, if that's true I could see the team actually making nico sit out a race.
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KM had at last a decent weekend and privileged driver/team refereeing ruined it. Only one example needed Ham-Webber Hungary 2013 not to mention Vettel/Hamilton on Raikkonen Germany, Raikkonen Monaco or Vettel Silverstone for far bigger transgressions completely ignored. FIA is a complete and utter joke, significant portion, did not leave enough space blah, blah - they can turn on and off any penalty or rule when they can. Why didn't you penalise Massa in Hungary 2013 then, you significant portion, not enough space conmen?
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SectorOne wrote:
Jano11 wrote:My bad.
Hallelujah, finally we are getting somewhere here.
Don't get too excited, I will own up to my mistakes. That's it.
SectorOne wrote:
Jano11 wrote:Anyway you are trying to prove that Hamilton was allowed to disregard Rosberg's FW was alongside his wheel, and then you complain that his actions resulted into him having a tire failure. Really can't have it both ways.
Yes Hamilton can disregard Rosberg alltogether.
Now you are going too far. Not that Hamilton didn't do just that, he did.

Anyway, the issue here is that both have their share of blame in this incident, and both could have avoided it, that's why no one got a penalty and why this is called racing incident.

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I don't believe it, this has to be a silly Hamilton mind game which always backfires on him. Rosberg cannot be that stupid... can he? I want to believe it cause im a Hamilton fan but I cant.
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dans79 wrote:
Holly hell, if that's true I could see the team actually making nico sit out a race.
Wet dreams.

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So Nico had his panties in a bunch about not being let through in Hungary (even when he never actually got close enough to be let through, but whatever), so wanted revenge?

He doesn't seem like the sort of guy, outwardly at least, who would act in a premeditated fashion like that, but if he really did say that, and it can be proven he did say that, then the book should be thrown at him.


I suppose it explains Wolff's clear rage and immediate blaming of Nico. If he's been clearly simmering with anger for the last 3 weeks and told to check himself, that fits I suppose...
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Jano11 wrote:Rosberg forgot his crystal ball so he failed to see in advance what Hamilton was going to do in the next 0.1 seconds. Let's hang him for that.
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SilverArrow10 wrote:I don't believe it, this has to be a silly Hamilton mind game which always backfires on him. Rosberg cannot be that stupid... can he? I want to believe it cause im a Hamilton fan but I cant.
Hmmm, wasn't Rosberg the one who told Vettel about that secret tyre test last year?