Ferrari SF23

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Instead of the constant radius of the 2022 wing this one has a flatter center section.

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did anyone listen to Pat Symonds yesterday saying he was surprised by the Ferrari porpoising by looking at the data he had access to, he said after one year and rules changes it should have been under control

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Venturiation wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 13:20
did anyone listen to Pat Symonds yesterday saying he was surprised by the Ferrari porpoising by looking at the data he had access to, he said after one year and rules changes it should have been under control
They were testing setup extremes to define limits for themselves according to what the drivers have said. The way the car was on Thursday Leclerc said he completely expected it

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ryaan2904 wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 14:17
Is the sf23 inherently understeery? Also today press conference charles said the car characteristics have changed this year. They've gained top speed but lost downforce, atleast compared to redbull.
Doesnt look good.
For the 523564396th time - Ferrari are testing with less downforce than Bahrain's Sakhir circuit requires. It's not an indication of any kind of behaviour
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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ryaan2904 wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 14:17
Is the sf23 inherently understeery? Also today press conference charles said the car characteristics have changed this year. They've gained top speed but lost downforce, atleast compared to redbull.
Doesnt look good.
he didn't said that they lost downforce!

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The low downforce wing is likely testing for Jeddah.
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Can downforce not come from other areas such as the beam wing of rear floor/diffuser? hence the ability to run a smaller rear wing to reduce drag? Since the downforce comes from other areas rather than just the rear wing?
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chrisc90 wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 15:51
Can downforce not come from other areas such as the beam wing of rear floor/diffuser? hence the ability to run a smaller rear wing to reduce drag? Since the downforce comes from other areas rather than just the rear wing?
They are also running a low downforce beamwing configuration (the same used at Spa last year)

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Vanja #66 wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 14:26
ryaan2904 wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 14:17
Is the sf23 inherently understeery? Also today press conference charles said the car characteristics have changed this year. They've gained top speed but lost downforce, atleast compared to redbull.
Doesnt look good.
For the 523564396th time - Ferrari are testing with less downforce than Bahrain's Sakhir circuit requires. It's not an indication of any kind of behaviour
Yes, you are right. These 2 days have been quite different from what ferrari has done during testing in the past few years.
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hollus wrote:
24 Feb 2023, 19:51
A reminder to everyone but specially to the new people (welcome!).
The car threads are specially strictly moderated in this forum. Stick to this car and to hardware in the car threads.
Team politics and other team things, please in the team threads.
Lap times and will they be faster/slower than XYZ, either in the team threads, in the testing thread or in the race threads.

If your post is in this thread and is not centering on this car, the physical car, it might have been or might be deleted or moved.
Let's keep the awesome car threads on this forum
a) focused on the hardware and
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ryaan2904 wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 14:17
Is the sf23 inherently understeery? Also today press conference charles said the car characteristics have changed this year. They've gained top speed but lost downforce, atleast compared to redbull.
Doesnt look good.
As some have already mentioned, Ferrari drives with a rear wing with much less downforce than would be appropriate for Bahrain. Of course, this has corresponding consequences. Therefore, of course, any comparison is difficult as far as that is concerned. However, it's certainly not negative that Ferrari still sets acceptable times and is probably the second fastest car in these tests, because the lack of downforce means you lose lap time in any case. You also have to consider that Ferrari has made massive changes to both suspensions in terms of suspension geometry, so you're almost starting from scratch in terms of set-up. And it is a very complex and tedious matter to find a good or basic set-up, especially as far as the dampers are concerned. So there's practically twice the performance hidden here that you can't see yet. What is rather worrying are Leclerc's comments that he has experimented with different driving styles, which makes it clear that the car has changed significantly in terms of balance and is probably not optimal. Of course, this also has a lot to do with the set-up. It does seem that the SF-23 has a tendency to understeer, as Sainz seems to cope better with it. In a way, this would be logical, since Ferrari realized many years ago that cars with a slight tendency to understeer are gentler on the tires. Therefore, it might actually be a development goal for the SF-23 to achieve exactly this tendency. But all in all, there is certainly still a lot of power in the SF-23, which is contesting the tests with a rear wing with too little downforce and completely new suspensions, as well as a completely changed thermalem management as far as the tires are concerned.

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organic wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 15:51
They are also running a low downforce beamwing configuration (the same used at Spa last year)
Yea, their beamwing is noticeably less cranked compared to most all other cars out there during this test:

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Even the new single pylon wing tested this morning was using small beam wings:

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Sorry for the temporary lock, guys. I locked it to clean up and forgot to re-open it.
Re-opened now
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#Ferrari changed the bottom on Carlos Sainz for the last run

Visible modification with the short tie rod already seen at Fiorano, not visible the modification under the bottom


The new floor DID materialize but it does not seem to be a large difference