Has Max been a verryyy naughty boy?

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I still can´t get it!

People think: If Max Mosley lied because he didn´t respect his marital vowels he can lie doing his job!

OF COURSE HE LIES DOING HIS JOB! YOU, ME AND EVERYONE LIES, ALL THE TIME! Even more in politics? Who can be so innocet to suppose they don´t lie? Big succes is based on lying (maybe except in sports and art)
"El que este libre de culpas, que tire la primera piedra!"

And here, unlike the Spitzer case, there are no interest conflicts. Because doing a Nazi Orgy has nothing to do with being a Racist m*therf*cker.
I like to play Counter Strike sometimes. Even with the Terrorist group. That doesn´t make me a Terrorist. Neither a SWAT lover if I choose the other side. It´s a game! You see: Nazis have got a very strong "imaginery". They are like trademark for evil. If you dress like a Nazi, you feel evil. What do you think that would happen if the 5 chicks where dressed like Nuns? Exactly the same! No one would have said that Max is a Nazi, now Max would be a Satanist... :roll:
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Belatti, there are strong indications that the whole Nazi thing was a fabrication by the NoTW reporter.

I fight against the racist and nationaqlistic ideology whereever I see it. If people are serious about this they need to know their history and what was wrong with it. Only by knowing the truth we will avoid to let such people get back into power positions. Doing a propaganda campaign against someone with false allegations and planting the Nazi story is not acceptable. In my view Mosley is no Nazi until the specific allegations have been investigated by a court.

NoTW has violated all rules of journalism with their dirt campaigns. If they were sure of their facts they had called Mosley for a comment prior to going publish. They deliberately did not do that. They cannot be trusted as a reliable source due to their unprofessional work. I would only treat such parts of the story as fact that have not been denied by Mosley. So he had an SM sex party with several women who all do such things regularly for money and for a living.

That isn't such a big problem. He will have to live with the shame and humiliation and that his carrer in the FIA and society is over with his present period in office. For me it would be a big issue if the Nazi things is proven in court. That would be a clear reason for immediate removal. Mosley has kicked off an anti racism campaign for the FIA. He cannot be seen to have Nazi fantasies and preach against racism. the important point is that he isn't guilty until the accusation is confirmed. that is a principle of law and of fairness as well.
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Something I never thought I'd see...

Luca di Montezemolo calling for Max to step down.. =D>

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 437083.stm

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67977

Here's hoping the dirty old man listens [-o<
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Well it didn't take long for di Montezemelo to back down from the comments he made earlier..


http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=42872


:lol: #-o :lol:
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Come on Bernie, say it how it really is..
....Max should stand down....the teams – the manufacturers – are violently opposed to him.....Max has always ruled by fear...
http://www.f1technical.net/news/9335

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Yeah, Ferrari, BMW and Toyota have all said basically it is time to move on and go racing.
"Toyota Motorsport acknowledges the result of the Extraordinary General Assembly and accepts the decision taken," the Japanese manufacturer said in a statement at the Canadian Grand Prix.

"Now that the FIA (International Automobile Federation) membership has expressed its view we hope that motorsport is able to conduct its activities unhindered by scandal, controversy and negative publicity.

"We also acknowledge and understand the position of the major touring clubs, of which many of our customers are members,"
that makes perfect sense instead of creating more negative image.

I predict Honda and Renault to follow soon.

Question at the press conference:

Q:Now that the Max Mosley situation has been resolved, have you guys any views on the fact that he is staying?
Kimi Reikkonen wrote:I heard it from you. For me it doesn't really matter. I think it is his personal life and really has nothing to do with F1. I think it was a good decision.
Martin Jacques
guardian.co.uk, Friday June 6 2008

So Max Mosley has survived as few men have done. To be caught by the News of the World with your trousers down in the company of five prostitutes in a sado-masochistic orgy, which is simultaneously made available for the world's delectation on video, and still live to tell the tale is quite some achievement, especially in the (allegedly) upright world of the Caravan Club of Great Britain and the American Automobile Association. Normally, such exposure leaves the hapless victim hobbled and humiliated. But Mosley is just not that kind of guy. If you are the son of the fascist leader Sir Oswald Mosley, then you will have had more than your fair share of denigration and derision. And if you are the product of an extremely rich background, private tutors, public school and Oxford, then the resulting sense of superiority and disdain towards fellow mortals (which Mosley, a man of aristocratic manner and bearing, possesses in bucketfuls) can arm you with a thick skin, a mighty self-righteousness and an unshakeable self-confidence. There is, in fact, much to admire in the way that Mosley has fought his corner.

Far from trying to deny his transgression, he owned up immediately. The revelations were greeted with embarrassment and indignation in the formula one paddock, where moral virtue is in extremely short supply and hypocrisy flows freely. He has been shunned by constructors, manufacturers and promoters alike. Even his long-term collaborator and close friend Bernie Ecclestone – whom Mosley rewarded with an extraordinary and inexplicable sweetheart deal for the rights to formula one a few years ago – turned against him after Mosley claimed that he was seeking to take over formula one.

In response, he went to ground. He refused to resign on the basis that what he had done was a private act and that he had not broken any law. His one denial concerned the highly damaging charge, given his parentage, that the orgy carried Nazi overtones. Meanwhile, he prepared his defences. He has taken legal action against Murdoch in both the British and French courts over his right to privacy. He employed Lord Stevens' Quest to try and discover who was behind the sting. And he retained the services of the distinguished barrister Anthony Scrivener, who gave his legal opinion about the scandal at the FIA meeting yesterday. One website suggested that Scrivener told delegates that the films of Mosley's orgy included the News of the World reporter urging the prostitutes to try and get Mosley to make Nazi references.

Against all the odds, and faced with the most powerful of adversaries – the Murdoch press, the German and Japanese car manufacturers, most of the formula one principals, his friend-turned-foe Ecclestone, and oceans of hypocrisy – Mosley has emerged triumphant. Exactly what will happen to the FIA and in formula one remains to be seen. But Mosley is surely right that the conduct of the News of the World represents a gross breach of his privacy. The idea that it is somehow in the public interest that newspapers have the right to invade an individual's private life in this way and effectively seek to destroy them is unacceptable. There is no public interest whatsoever, but it is certainly in the interests of a tabloid newspaper, giving it the power to break and humiliate individuals by appealing to the public's worst voyeuristic instincts, all in the cause of sales. What one does in private should remain private, providing it does not contravene the law. I look forward to Mosley's legal action against the News of the World.
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ben_watkins wrote:Come on Bernie, say it how it really is..
....Max should stand down....the teams – the manufacturers – are violently opposed to him.....Max has always ruled by fear...
http://www.f1technical.net/news/9335

=D>
Even better from Bernie.. - http://www.f1technical.net/news/9361

covered here too viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5583
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Here's SpeedTV rolling with

the shots in the Mosley affair. They're part of the News Corp. of course, owners of NotW and The Times also (in case anyone forgot). Despain suggests that "perhaps" it's time touring and racing clubs go their separate ways, portraying the touring clubs as the ones to blame (?) for the situation. Peter Windsor, on the other hand, thinks that after 12 or so previous rifts between Max and Bernie during their shared reign, this one will also pass at their convenience.
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Windsor should know better than suggest that Max and Bernie do a repeat of their double act. everybody can see that this is the final rift. one can only asume Windsor is following vested intertests by misleading people. :roll:

the other real incomprehensible thing is that story about the ADAC loosing the German GP. a lot of bull! the DMSB is the German sanctioning body and not the ADAC. DMSB has imediately said that they accept the vote and want to move on with the sport. Grandprix.com started the speculation and lazy hacks all over the world distribute it without checking any details. #-o on top the stories about ADAC leaving FIA are exagerated. the only stop working in commitees and holding any offices at FIA. they will continue to pay their fees and be members. the other clubs like the AAA said they were contemplating consequences. they didn't even have the guts to do a small thing like ADAC.

and finally another excellent piece by Mike Lawrence on the hypocrisy of the Mosley affair. With guys like Mike around we might even see eventually who was behind it. He is not likely to let this story rest.
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I have read the pitpass article and whilst it is well written and thought out he misses a major point,

the results of which where a vote of confidence in the leader, had he not partaken in such activities (regardless of the sting or the funders) then this could not have happened. he did, it has

same things a the british secret service (failing) to keep gays out, it allows them to be blackmailed and thus compromised, they may have been excellent operators but they had an acilies heal.

who is to know that this isnt the first time max has been caught and perhaps blackmailed in the past but this time is just a reaction to prevent his blackmailer from getting his desires

it is an undeniable weakness that has dragged the FIA through the mud, its not like the FIA condone or partakes (as a whole) in these activities so why should it have to defend them

in max's defence he absolutly did the right thing by not denying it and effectively took the wind out of his blackmailers sails

still the FIA is dragged through the mud so his blackmailers get the publicity they clearly craved

if he wasnt selfish he would have stepped back to save the face of the FIA whilst working to clear his name, but he didnt after all he did do it and his name cant be cleared

no matter those that did not like him still dont and those that support him just have to check the bank balance and see where the loyalties lie (or at least that is the perception) and dare i say it a perception of corruption is much more damming than having a dirty old man running the richest race series in the world
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WhiteBlue wrote:Windsor should know better than suggest that Max and Bernie do a repeat of their double act.......
I can see your brought your blinkers and your command over right and wrong with you.

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John Stitch wrote:
WhiteBlue wrote:Windsor should know better than suggest that Max and Bernie do a repeat of their double act.......
I can see your brought your blinkers and your command over right and wrong with you.
Dear John,

it is lovely to see you so full of concerns. Please allow a solitary voice for liberty and justice to be heard. There are so few of them and a bit of contrary opinion never hurts. It is far from me to command anybody, quite contrary! I enjoy variety in opinion. as you know I'm not a fan of group pressure for a party line. If you have a constructive point to make (other than accusing me of wearing blinkers) I would appreciate the opportunity to exchange views in a civilized argument.

yours sincerely WhiteBlue
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nae wrote:...same things a the british secret service (failing) to keep gays out, it allows them to be blackmailed and thus compromised, they may have been excellent operators but they had an acilies heal.

who is to know that this isnt the first time max has been caught and perhaps blackmailed in the past but this time is just a reaction to prevent his blackmailer from getting his desires..
If you see this as a simple blackmailing operation for money you obviously missed the revelations of the last week.

The Mosley scandal was nothing but a very clumsy attempt to remove Max Mosley from power. Whatever the reason for this sting operation was, it wasn't for the benefit of morals in society or the FIA or F1. It was with almost 100% certainty for the financial advantages of some players in the F1 power game. the list of the potential profit takers is awfully short and Max has told the members what he thinks so it can't be difficult to make the connection.

my point in this has always been that Max time is over soon anyway. why bother to force him out and create a lot of stink for nothing? most probably there is an agenda which cannot be progressed as long as Mosley is there.

I am more interested in finding a bullet proof answer to the question who set him up in the first place. if we know this little detail, very likely much dirtier deeds than Mosley's sex parties will be exposed or prevented.

so for now I will once again go with Lawrence: "Follow the money"
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WhiteBlue wrote:
John Stitch wrote:
WhiteBlue wrote:Windsor should know better than suggest that Max and Bernie do a repeat of their double act.......
I can see your brought your blinkers and your command over right and wrong with you.
Dear John,

it is lovely to see you so full of concerns. Please allow a solitary voice for liberty and justice to be heard. There are so few of them and a bit of contrary opinion never hurts. It is far from me to command anybody, quite contrary! I enjoy variety in opinion. as you know I'm not a fan of group pressure for a party line. If you have a constructive point to make (other than accusing me of wearing blinkers) I would appreciate the opportunity to exchange views in a civilized argument.

yours sincerely WhiteBlue
If that is the case you need to practice what you preach.

Windsor is entitled to his opinion, he has been in the F1 for a long time and has closer associations with F1 people than you do. Indeed he is an F1 people.

You say you enjoy contrary opinion and yet you deride his opinion when indeed his is the contrary one.

You are the one that is following, sheepishly, the opinion that there is a rift between BE and MM which is the popular one.

For the record I happen to think the same as Windsor.

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the assumption of your theory (whiteblue) is that those that set up max hail from the world of formula 1 and they stand to gain something from the exposé

a bit simplistic for a devious underhand move dont you think ?

if max has been doing this for years then there is little doubt it has actually been common knowledge within some circles or other for an equally long time.

its hardly damning of the man

but perhaps it was enacted in the full knowledge that max would fight his corner hard and garner the support of the minor FIA delegates and expose the FIA in the manor it has

perhaps the plan was
if max resigned then its a win
if max doesnt resign then its still a win

I personally am beginning to form the view that Max set himself up in a do or die play, as you say the man isnt long for the job (all be it years after he said he would go)
thus ensuring his support for moves as yet unseen, it certainly isnt beyond the realms of possibility

and if that is slightly true and with max not getting paid for the role
there is no money to follow

i do however wait with baited breath for the final outcome, if there is such a thing

who would be daft enough to risk there F1 reputation on such and operation
Not the silver team (lost to much already and way to much to loose)
Not the red team (to devious and underhand, no advantage to be gained anyway)
Nor the rest of the players still in the game (to much corporate £ at stake)

maybe its Stepney or coulgan (sp) (already lost there respect so why not)
maybe its bernie (the master manipulator and at 77 why not)

or perhaps just some random with an unseen axe to grind

but i (as i said) suspect max (little to loose and perhaps loads to gain)

who do you suspect?
perhaps a pole on the issue (not kubica )
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