Mclaren Mercedes MP4-25

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Vasco
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are they using the same rear suspension layout as last years RBR?

Some better pics:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... mp4_25.jpg
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... 4_25_2.jpg
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... 4_25_3.jpg

Diffuser is closed off

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Just looking at the front wing supports on the nose, and it seems to be that they are trying to create some sort of front diffuser.

The car is far nicer than the F10, however the FW32 is looking the nicest so far.

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http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/photolarge.ph ... catID=4673

Nice shot of the trick front splitter...

imightbewrong
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Image

Is there a small diffuser exit up there in the center?!

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Vasco wrote:are they using the same rear suspension layout as last years RBR?

Some better pics:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... mp4_25.jpg
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... 4_25_2.jpg
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... 4_25_3.jpg

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The MP4-25 follows more of Brawns lead than the expected Red Bull philosophy. Following brawns lead last year with a relatively low nose, even placing their steering rack down inline with the lower wishbones. but then taking a cue from the Williams by having a snow plough under the nose. Although Brawn did have their own take on this device mounted above their splitter. Surprisingly there’s no Newey “V” nose.
The front wing was based on the one seen in testing late last year, with some added fences between the mandatory neutral central section and the four element ‘downforce’ producing outer portions.
The sidepods follow McLaren’s recent practice with inlets mounted high above a deep undercut, this year the inlets are rectangular section. The sidepods then drop sharply exposing the vast curvaceous fuel tank.
McLaren has shrunken the sidepods by raising the exhaust system into its own bulge and exiting high above the gearbox, this area probably also vents some of the hot radiator air, allowing the rear portion of the coke bottle shape to be extra thin. A shark fin has been added so a little Red Bull influence does exist.

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Vasco wrote:are they using the same rear suspension layout as last years RBR?

Some better pics:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... mp4_25.jpg
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... 4_25_2.jpg
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... 4_25_3.jpg

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They are too, that's a Pull-rod design! :o
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Forgot how good the wheels look on these cars. I am glad then rim shields are gone. You can also see the accel/decel rate of the wheels, and not just the tires that don't even look like they are turning with the shields.

There are so many details on the Mclaren, a huge change from last years car which seemed over simplified. That front wing looks crazy. It looks like crosswinds may be of larger effect, as the shark fin looks steeper, less triangular.

I have to agree the FW32 looks very nice.
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i70q7m7ghw
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Looks like a pushrod to me...

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i70q7m7ghw
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Look inside the airbox, two channels.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... 4_25_2.jpg

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Removed ill informed post about pull rods.
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Yep, there's a duct that runs down through the shark fin to cool electronics that are located at the back of the car. I'm guessing they did this so they could reduce the size of their sidepods.

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Giblet wrote:If you actually read the article that has been thoughtfully posted on the front page you will find it does indeed have pull rod this year.

Our eyes are only so good folks.
Funny looknig pull rod then, source of the article?

EDIT: I can't find anything in any article about a pull-rod, i'm calling BS?
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scarbs wrote:The MP4-25 follows more of Brawns lead than the expected Red Bull philosophy. Following brawns lead last year with a relatively low nose, even placing their steering rack down inline with the lower wishbones. but then taking a cue from the Williams by having a snow plough under the nose. Although Brawn did have their own take on this device mounted above their splitter. Surprisingly there’s no Newey “V” nose.
The front wing was based on the one seen in testing late last year, with some added fences between the mandatory neutral central section and the four element ‘downforce’ producing outer portions.
The sidepods follow McLaren’s recent practice with inlets mounted high above a deep undercut, this year the inlets are rectangular section. The sidepods then drop sharply exposing the vast curvaceous fuel tank.
McLaren has shrunken the sidepods by raising the exhaust system into its own bulge and exiting high above the gearbox, this area probably also vents some of the hot radiator air, allowing the rear portion of the coke bottle shape to be extra thin. A shark fin has been added so a little Red Bull influence does exist.
You are most definitely better informed than me, but is the McLaren nose really "relatively low"? Looks relatively high to me, certainly higher than the Ferrari when comparing the side shots, especially the lower edge of the nose which remains higher on the McLaren over the length of the nose beyond the bulkhead.

Could it be that the Newey V nose would interfere with the airflow from the front snowplow to the underside of the car?