Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[Nando]

how long did it take lotus to win a gP since implementing Coanda?

Is this a serious argument?

Lotus lucked into their win.
Mercedes on the other hand have 2 poles and one win which they took on purely their own performance.

Lotus could have won a race in Hungary as well if they had lucked into that as well so the Coanda exhaust is an irrelevant point to bring up when talking about race wins. imo.

[Nando]

The whole 50% to 60% logic is insanely stupid & for noobs. Lotus did the same & created a Great Car & Developed it brilliantly.

Mercedes could have come up with a better excuse.

I disagree, Lotus haven´t developed their car at all really.

It´s been up and down and they have no idea why. Just like Mercedes.

[user001]

What makes me wonder is what were Mercedese doing in the past 2 years then. When everyone has moved from 50% to 60% scale WT, then why were they still working with a 50% scale? May be they saved it as an excuse for this year's failure!!

maybe merc gp was in debt due to the brawn gp year? maybe this debt is now paid off?

[diego1960]

I didn't sign in for a week and apparently I didn't miss anything important, not that I thought so.

Good old Norby finding excuses in the wind tunnel and promising better results in the future. If I hadn't read the article myself I would have thought that it came from August 2010, or September 2010, or October etc. Nothing ever changes in BAR Mercedes does it?

This team really starts to resemble Real Madrid from the Galacticos era, many "bosses", many "stars" and no-one being able to lead and explain that you have to work as a team to get results, put your ego down etc. now I am sure that every one of the 3 Kings is pulling the W04 design to his direction, thus correcting the "mistakes" of the others who pull it too as a response and so on.

Sad days, it could have been a dream, the return of the silver arrows and it turned into a nightmare.

[Huntresa]

The whole 50% to 60% logic is insanely stupid & for noobs. Lotus did the same & created a Great Car & Developed it brilliantly.

Mercedes could have come up with a better excuse.

I disagree, Lotus haven´t developed their car at all really.

It´s been up and down and they have no idea why. Just like Mercedes.

wat? Kimi hasnt been worse then 9th and outisde of 9th since bahrain. Actually he has ONLY been outside top 10 ONCE this entire year. Compare that to rosbergs results or schumis even if you want, not that schumi is a standard to follow tho

[Huntresa]

What makes me wonder is what were Mercedese doing in the past 2 years then. When everyone has moved from 50% to 60% scale WT, then why were they still working with a 50% scale? May be they saved it as an excuse for this year's failure!!

maybe merc gp was in debt due to the brawn gp year? maybe this debt is now paid off?

Brawn GP was never in much debt, and Brawn himself and others made so much money from Brawn GP it wasnt even funny.

[FoxHound]

how long did it take lotus to win a gP since implementing Coanda?

Is this a serious argument?

Lotus lucked into their win.
Mercedes on the other hand have 2 poles and one win which they took on purely their own performance.

Lotus could have won a race in Hungary as well if they had lucked into that as well so the Coanda exhaust is an irrelevant point to bring up when talking about race wins. imo.

I agree Nando, and we can see that their relative performance is still pretty much the same as Pre-Coanda.
There is no correlation to the victory and the exhaust, Lotus have always been up there or thereabouts. Vettel's penalty and Hamiltons failure saw to the Lotus victory.

[Huntresa]

Yeah its just bullshit bringing up coanda, its not like Lotus has been bad cause it hasnt had Coanda, and its not like any team has taken a HUGE step after adding coanda.

[FoxHound]

Yeah its just bullshit bringing up coanda, its not like Lotus has been bad cause it hasnt had Coanda, and its not like any team has taken a HUGE step after adding coanda.

Not at all. We are talking in relation to Lotus. We have seen the benefits of Coanda exhausts, But both Mercedes and Lotus performance has remained as they where prior to adopting the exhaust.

[Huntresa]

Yeah its just bullshit bringing up coanda, its not like Lotus has been bad cause it hasnt had Coanda, and its not like any team has taken a HUGE step after adding coanda.

Not at all. We are talking in relation to Lotus. We have seen the benefits of Coanda exhausts, But both Mercedes and Lotus performance has remained as they where prior to adopting the exhaust.

But not rly, since its all static. And in relation to Lotus, not many if any teams that didnt run Coanda and switched after Mugello has rly been regulary faster then them.

[Ganxxta]

Schumacher will be brand ambassador for a door manufacturer...

Interesting, so he will be a representative of something he has absolutely no connection to, instead of his offered deal (Haug said something about offering him a representative position) with Mercedes...

Good decision.

[Cocles]

What makes me wonder is what were Mercedese doing in the past 2 years then. When everyone has moved from 50% to 60% scale WT, then why were they still working with a 50% scale? May be they saved it as an excuse for this year's failure!!

Apparently they were listening to Loic Bigois too much.

I have to wonder if the bad DNA all stems from the BGP001. Why? Its fundamental advantage became a fundamental drawback.

For Bigois, the BGP001 was a masterpiece, a championship winning car. I have to wonder though, if this put him in a rut. Perhaps Bigois became too precious with his BGP001 and found himself incapable of deviating too far from its base design, leaving the fundamentals intact. So which fundamental then would change from an advantage to a draw back?

The BGP001 was a car built from the ground up to make use of a double-diffusor. When that DD was removed, we were left with a broken car that has never managed to recover its rear downforce. This is the fundamental that Bigois was never able to fix, to do so would have meant deviating farther from the BGP001 than Bigois was willing to go. I think the W03 still needs an all-out, 2009 double diffusor (same as the W01 & W02). I had this in mind and breathed a sigh of relief when I read that Merc was going to build the W04 from scratch under Elliot.

TLDR
I think the double-diffusor was too fundamental to the BGP001 bloodline, and this is the problem Mercedes has been dealing with since day one.

[marcush.]

dream on ...
RedBull have taken a massive step recently .Mclaren have and lotus is still in the middle of all this.It´s not likee lotus does not move forwards ..
But clearly Mercedes GP is moving backwards.Sure they would have been collecting the odd one or two points ,but their sspeed really is nowhere since a LONG time .They have artificially upped the statistics by running weird strategies enabling them to run further towrds the front than deserved but since hungary no results at all really.

[FoxHound]

Artificially upped the statistics? What?

[Cocles]

They have artificially upped the statistics by running weird strategies enabling them to run further towrds the front...

Oh, do tell...