Mercedes GP W02

[MIKEY_!]

I think i get what you mean. So they aren't actually sending exhaust into the diffuser at any point (or not intending to)?

[raymondu999]

At least that's the general belief.

[hardingfv32]

The "simulator" is a computer program?

Brian

[raymondu999]

On a special machine with a special seat that can move, pretty much

[Mr.S]

Copying will get you nowhere. I find the argument very amateurish. They are more than 1 second off & copying off this year's Red bull sans that high nose & EBD,MERC will be atleast 2-3s off.

Regulations chance. Red Bull's whole car as Newey said is build on EBD,very high rake. Next year there is a complete ban on EBD,high noses are banned. The whole philosophy will change with new exhausts,new nose cones. The sidepods,bargeboards,floor,body work all will work in a way to maximise downforce & absolutely has to work with the EXHAUST solution & the nose cone. That is a must.

[Mr.S]

I am still very dissapointed that they gave up. Ferrari & Mercedes did not have a huge difference at the start of the season but Ferrari improved much more than Merc. They could have put substantial work on the real. The front wings have barely changed 2 FW's in 3 years. RB,Ferrari & Mclaren are trying 3-4 front wings a year & also evaluating FW's for next year.

The rear could have been massively modified. I have no idea what happened with periscope exhaust. If it did show a clear couple of tenths than the rear-ward its probably better not to give it away this year. But sidepods???? Atleast try elongating the wheelbase & try the U-shaped sidepods & see if that has any benefits.

I am a Merc fan & I am dissapointed that they have thrown in the towel too early. I would have liked them to try & loose. Ross is continously saying that they are working very hard to improve W02 but not significant improvement can be seen.

[wesley123]

you have to tell me how to incorporate U-sidepods when Tubs are homologated eacht year. And apart from that, everything barely fit in current sidepods, how they want to make U-sidepods then?

[munudeges]

1. Regarding DF situation, IMHO next year RB will be the biggest loser...

In all honesty I think it will be the exact opposite. Many teams, including McLaren and especially Mercedes, have been using so-called 'hot blowing' and ignition of fuel off-throttle to generate hotter gas to ultimately generate downforce. It's the easy way out.

Red Bull simply have a much, much better understanding of what is going on at the back of their car than anyone else and when exhausts have to be moved further forward next year it should help them immensely. Anyone believing that they can simply have periscope exhausts and get them out of the way of the aerodynamics next year, as Ferrari did when they had all their success incidentally, is going to be very disappointed because it won't be good enough.

There's certainly an opportunity for Mercedes there, but, I'm just not sure they have the people to find something. They have the straight line performance, but it's a question of whether they can add usable downforce.

[munudeges]

It's the body of the car. Something about it. If you don't have that certain something the body simply cannot have more downforce.

I certainly agree there Ringo. The engine cover is particularly interesting.

[siskue2005]

you have to tell me how to incorporate U-sidepods when Tubs are homologated eacht year. And apart from that, everything barely fit in current sidepods, how they want to make U-sidepods then?

there is no homologation rule this year
just see the technical section at f1.com ...the amount of changes and the crash test people are taking!

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

@ siskue

I read the same thing. Homologation was lifted for this year. Although I do believe there to be a large number of parts that, once presented to the FIA cannot be changed for the season.

A de facto homologation of sorts.

Not sure how this would affect Mercedes in relation to the W02. But maybe the changes needed where to great for there to be any benefit.

especially when you consider the efforts they are putting into next year, why waste resources on the W02 when you can readily see where you have gone wrong and apply this knowledge onto the W03.

Finally, there is the dastardly prospect of tyres. This will already be ringing alarm bells in Brackley as Pirelli will not be using the same tyres in 2012 as they have in 2011. Traditionally this team have had problems with Tyres, so lets see what they have learned and also what this new sim can do in terms of them getting more from tyres. If any benefit at all.

[Ferraripilot]

FYI for comparison purposes. W02 qualified at Singapore quicker than W01 by only .300. Pole lap this year is approx 1 second quicker than last year. While it seems that W02 is a small step better, the reality is the bar was raised much higher than perhaps they were expecting. With the loss of the DDD, I remain amazed by the prowess of RB7.

[MIKEY_!]

The w01 was more suited to that track than wo2 wasn't it.

[Byronrhys]

FYI for comparison purposes. W02 qualified at Singapore quicker than W01 by only .300. Pole lap this year is approx 1 second quicker than last year. While it seems that W02 is a small step better, the reality is the bar was raised much higher than perhaps they were expecting. With the loss of the DDD, I remain amazed by the prowess of RB7.

RBR could have probably brought the RB5 this Season, just add an EBD, DRS and KERS and they would have probably still be a massive challenge.

[Intego]

RBR could have probably brought the RB5 this Season, just add an EBD, DRS and KERS and they would have probably still be a massive challenge.

That's what I thought STR would have done this year. The 2011 rules are nearer to 2009 then 2010 (except DDD). STR should have come up with a revised RB5, they still had the IP. Of course, since 2010 one has to build his own car, but even the Virgin cars look like the RB5 ...
Now enough offtopic.