Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[lillschumi]

They are so lost is embarrasing (or at least they should be). Jesus, they don´t know in & out of their developments and this whole race weekend just proved it.

I have called their BS and i said in the beginning of this year that they suck, both car & team. Next BS to be called is this "we use the GPs now to test for next year" which is complete BS. In best what they are doing now is trying to verify if their developments is developments or not. Clearly Coanda is not working for them, so is ( as the dumb fcuks they are) that means they are not going Coanda route next year well then you can say they are experimenting for next year.

There is people cashing in in Brackley for nothing, fire the 3 rejects to start with, then other useless engineers of choice. Keep elliot and HIRE!!! Pat Symonds and with the money over due to lay offs of engineers, recruit some key engineers from Lotus with a offer they can´t refuse. Given all that then maybe there is hope for 2014.

I´m telling you now, if not Elliot miracusly can "pull a rabbit...." in this mess, 2013 is lost big time. No actually 2013 is going to be a disaster, Hamilton hae really wrecked his career, his management is not looking after him. His brand won´t be worth s**t after 1-2 year in this team (Villeneuve, Schumacher, Barrichello), Button would have been added to the list but during the lucky 2009 he just managed to escape the doom.

[sidmiester]

i m actually convinced mercedes will be competitive next season...
because last season i wasnt convinced w03 will be great because of people like biogis and john owen

this car was born under biogis, john owen... they were big time losers at honda era.

i actually have big faith in aldo costa, he designed race winning chassis after all, elliot has great experience under his belt with mclaren and lotus.. i actually think mercedes will fare better under these people.

[piast9]

I wonder how they will look next year. So far it seems that Hamilton made mistake of his life by signing to the Mercedes, at least from the sporting point of view.

[beelsebob]

I wonder how they will look next year. So far it seems that Hamilton made mistake of his life by signing to the Mercedes, at least from the sporting point of view.

To be honest, he's either made the mistake of his life, or the decission of his life. If Merc improve from this point onwards, it'll all be put on Hamilton, and he'll become a true legend. If they don't, then... well, he's thrown away his best years.

[sidmiester]

I wonder how they will look next year. So far it seems that Hamilton made mistake of his life by signing to the Mercedes, at least from the sporting point of view.

To be honest, he's either made the mistake of his life, or the decission of his life. If Merc improve from this point onwards, it'll all be put on Hamilton, and he'll become a true legend. If they don't, then... well, he's thrown away his best years.

i think he made the wrong choice.. because mclaren always design competitive car.. but i think mercedes will be good... i dont expect the car to suddenly be winning car ahead of red bull mclren ferarri but compettive enough...

i hear all the time lot of accusation going to aldo costa that he was too conservative... but after all costa designed car always was competitive... the chassis he designed always brought competitve result and thats what its lacking in this team...

the chassis designed by john owen and aero head bigois was appaling they were people under honda with 700 people couldnt even make a good car... i certainly didnt expect good thing to happen with mercedes.just look at bigois track record.. why would otherwise williams would boot him out???

with costa, elloit its different feeling... plus excuse or not, mercedes has upgraded their windtunnel... which is good.

they wil be good... how good or how consistently good over the season... its the question....

plus with lauda and hamilton on board i expect them to be more demanding....

[yener]

It's nothing new that the race pace is poor. They always directly seem to fall back after the start.

Anyways; the team is working good right now. They are heading to the right direction, because today they compared the exhaust. And their coanda exhaust is clearly not working at all. And lets remember the track temperature could be a lot worse!
In the next race they should consider to put Nico in the car without updates and old exhaust.

They are analyzing and looking where they did wrong. Things they should try a long time ago IMO. It still will they take a long time to get the AMG team on the right track. They don't need silly things like DDRS or extreme short wheelbase or any other radical decissions.

If the w04 will have something "innovative" again. Then Hamilton made the wrong decision. But my feelings tell me they will have a really solid car which will performance at the same level every race. It should be way more consistance.

[marcush.]

Don´t forget -Bell is now well in his second year ,Willis and Costa have completed a whole year with MGP already...but where do we see any sign of substantial improvements?
I see the same stories as we have heard in 2007,8,9,10 and 11.Bigois or not the team is just unable to sort out their problems.
To be honest already in 2011 thery failed to improve after the disappointment of 2010 and 2012 is now ending as a complete failure -after a short but maybe lucky hit in china ....
There is no hint that Mr.elliot has brought anything usable to the table yet...they just do not understand their product those decisions they are taaking just do not make any sense top me and the explanations brought up by team reps do actually not bring any more light into this mess.
When Brawn has somehow managed to carve a legend niche for himself in 2009 he is actively dismounting his status these days and in my book he made a big mistake not to take the money and walk away after selling to Mercedes...But maybe the money is only payable when he stys with the team .
But on the current form I doubt this team is there to stay much longer.Daimler will not allow themselves that sort of embarassment much longer.Is Hamilton bringing the famouss 5 tenths like Alonso is to Ferrari..?Schumacher has effectively won the qualy duel against Rosberg this year...so Lewis just has to destroy his teammate in 2013 ...but will he and will this be enough to win races ?or bag more than occasional podiums? I fail to see this yet .
Neither Mclaren nor RedBull nor Ferrari have a solid conservative car....I think the real issue with them is they focus too much on petprojects which clearly hinder overall performance.(short wheelbase,active /passive f-duct ,DDRS,Double rads etc.)

[OppositeLock]

That was embarrassing. Rosberg in the slower car starting in 17th finishes ahead of the much faster car that started in 5th. What a turnaround. I'm glad the season is almost over. The team needs to ditch some ballast.

[sidmiester]

Don´t forget -Bell is now well in his second year ,Willis and Costa have completed a whole year with MGP already...but where do we see any sign of substantial improvements?
I see the same stories as we have heard in 2007,8,9,10 and 11.Bigois or not the team is just unable to sort out their problems.
To be honest already in 2011 thery failed to improve after the disappointment of 2010 and 2012 is now ending as a complete failure -after a short but maybe lucky hit in china ....
There is no hint that Mr.elliot has brought anything usable to the table yet...they just do not understand their product those decisions they are taaking just do not make any sense top me and the explanations brought up by team reps do actually not bring any more light into this mess.
When Brawn has somehow managed to carve a legend niche for himself in 2009 he is actively dismounting his status these days and in my book he made a big mistake not to take the money and walk away after selling to Mercedes...But maybe the money is only payable when he stys with the team .
But on the current form I doubt this team is there to stay much longer.Daimler will not allow themselves that sort of embarassment much longer.Is Hamilton bringing the famouss 5 tenths like Alonso is to Ferrari..?Schumacher has effectively won the qualy duel against Rosberg this year...so Lewis just has to destroy his teammate in 2013 ...but will he and will this be enough to win races ?or bag more than occasional podiums? I fail to see this yet .
Neither Mclaren nor RedBull nor Ferrari have a solid conservative car....I think the real issue with them is they focus too much on petprojects which clearly hinder overall performance.(short wheelbase,active /passive f-duct ,DDRS,Double rads etc.)

mercedes possibly started their w03 car design and planning on mid june-july in which, neither willis nor costa was present.

granted that costa and willis was there by the end of the season, but i believe the car was really worked under bigois-john-owen bell..

costa and elliot is a good combination... i have faith... in costa more.

well i would give up hopes if they dont improve by next year... for now i have saved some patience for the team... i firmly believe costa elliot will get the car competitive...

my only worries is by how much??? and how consistently over the season... but i firmly believe that they will definitely imprve on race pace..

with bigois-john owen on the team... i simply didnt have that same confidence confidence that i have now with costa and elliot (we should have got james sommerville instead of willis)... thats why i feel brawn should be responsible for everything thats happening in the team... he should have made call to remove incompetent people earlier, from top to bottom...

[sidmiester]

i am no technical expert.. but seeing that how the team have failed to understand their own car and the problems they have created... thats an issue.. so i think apart from big technical heads being recruited this team should also make some changes in people who analyse the car over the season.. because this team doesnt have same reaction and understanding of their own car as other teams...

most annoying problem is definitely... lack of updates... every teams evaluate and bring updates... you cant figure the same with mercedes...

sick and tired of brawn saying we understood our problems... but the team seems to go worse and worse..

[raymondu999]

sick and tired of brawn saying we understood our problems... but the team seems to go worse and worse..

Maybe he's trying to get Mercedes to sell the team to him for 10 quid like Honda again? Then doing a runaway success, and making another small fortune selling the team again?

PS: All comments in this post were made in good-natured fun. No conspiracy theorising intended.

[siskue2005]

That's the longest pointless streak for Schumy ever since his debut in 1991
The last 3 races without any point was in 2000 when he has 3 dnfs and early this season 3dnfs
And now 5 races without any point is his longest it could be 6 next week

[Nando]

I see the same stories as we have heard in 2007,8,9,10 and 11.

Yea me too!
I think every page of this thread contains what you have written but in different forms just regurgitating the same old crap.
(not just you but take a look for yourself, it´s the same rant on every single page)

[Dragonfly]

Aabar Sells Stake in Mercedes Formula One Team to Daimler
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-1 ... -unit.html

[banibhusan]

I think every page of this thread contains [....] in different forms just regurgitating the same old crap.

Indeed!! And yet this thread has the highest rating in the F1T(T stands for "Technical") forum. Strangely unbelievable.

Every single race Mercedes fails to live up to the expectation and yet after every race there is a huge pile of criticism s*** dumped out on this thread.