Mercedes GP MGP W01

[Tonn]

[f1rules]

yes they used flow vis but that pic is not from today. Its two days old, when they first tested the new F.wing. Nevetheless im dissapointed in mercedes. When the car launched my first thought was. What the hell have they been using the windtunnel hours on. I know i cant judge by appearance. But still i was disappointed. To me it looked like they lost some momentum. Ok the idea about the airbox is good. Should make the rearwing more effective due to more clean air. Other then that, i dont se anything very spectacular. Good news is, it looks like they have made a car which can easily adapt a huge new diffuser. Both rear axle and rear suspension is angled so you can fit a huge ddd.

[ringo]

yip newish front wing,new stakes on the side of the nose cone but most of the changes are under the skin.

New diffusor for Bahrain brings new rear end body work and no it won't be a mamoth contraption like McLaren's . Can't really understand why Mac are pretending that their diffusor is big anyway,it's not.

Bring on race 1.

I see that the strakes are much bigger ..
That's why that flow vis is there also, the dang nose aint working

I can see those strakes growing wider and wider over the season just to create some vacuum for the nose to have some amount of suction. Though they could be there to create bigger vortices. Which only give a smallish effect at the front and top of a race car.

vortex generators on front of air craft:

also used by the toyota GT1 lemans car.


I think Merc have a wacky nose that they are unsure about; instead they should just imitate red bull and use a proven design.

[f1rules]

i agree
not only red bull, all the other cars, Mercedes is the only one to use this design. Like last year when mclaren made a cut in their floor. Nobody copied and that pretty much shoved it was dead idea. Im sure many teams tried Mercedes solution in the windtunnel, but abandoned it

[wesley123]

they simply cannot bolt on a copy and hope it works, the nose is the start of the whole car, thus isnt actually the place to replace when it isnt needed.

Those strakes probably create an vortex thus reducing drag around the suspension arms or they seal off the lower side nose.

You cannot compare the vortex generators on an airplane to the ones on a f1 car, on the air plane it is clearly to allow the wing to generate more lift in high angle situations, but it cant be compared to the one on the merc as there isnt a wing further down.

[djones]

Which parts are we talking about on this wing thats different to the other teams?

It just looks basically the same as all the others to me

[Blackout]

Modified front wing:



The horizontal shape of the wing is also different...

[delacf]

Hi, Forgive my English

What vortex generators are talking about? ¿? In my opinion, this device may have two functions:

One is to seal the underside of the car so as not to introduce high pressure fluid:


Another is to produce vortices for maintaining the flow close to the surface of the car. When the silhouette of the car is sharp (not smooth):


Greetings

[ringo]

they simply cannot bolt on a copy and hope it works, the nose is the start of the whole car, thus isnt actually the place to replace when it isnt needed.

Those strakes probably create an vortex thus reducing drag around the suspension arms or they seal off the lower side nose.

You cannot compare the vortex generators on an airplane to the ones on a f1 car, on the air plane it is clearly to allow the wing to generate more lift in high angle situations, but it cant be compared to the one on the merc as there isnt a wing further down.

I was not comparing them, i was demonstrating what they do.
remember this car?

See the sharp curved edge along the top of the bonnet. They were effective but they they added drag, but it was an attempt to affect the rear wing.

The Merc dive planes or strakes, are probably for the rear wing or air intake, but the wing is too far away from to be greatly affected anyway. Whatever it is, they are growing in size.

I think it's more to do with sealing the underside of the nose like i said than the suspension arms which have some movement.

About the nose, i don't think it can be said the car is designed from the nose and back. Remember BMWs table top solution mid season last year?
Any nose can be slapped on, as long the wind tunnel shows it's better than the existing one . It just has to be flush with the body and you're good.

The nose is not as integral as the front wing or floor, or even a DDD, and teams were slapping on DDD left right and center last year and still finding speed. the RB5 wasn't even designed to take a DDD and it still improved.

Let's say for example a red bull nose is 2 steps forward in down-force on the front splitter, 1 step forward in nose drag but 1/4 step back with side pod drag, on the Brawn style pods, because of the V ridges. It's still 2 3/4 steps forward and other side-pod changes to get back the 1/4 step can be made later down in the season.

[Longley]

Changed exhaust exit, but only on the left side. McLaren made the exits (in their case both) bigger too.



Reminds me of the MP4-24, here in Bahrain.

[JohnsonEvilTwin]

That Mercedes rear end looks so much more compact than the McLaren's.
Couple of stories on a rumoured "super diffuser" doing the rounds on internet.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/f1/story/0, ... 55,00.html

No smoke without fire and all that!

[abel_231]

What do you believe that advantage will give us the new diffuser?
Do you think that will be enough to be on top?

[djones]

If you are going on the last days times then they are .28 off the fastest car.

New bodywork alone would probably make that up.

However they other teams will probably release things as well so the gap would stay the same.

If they do have some crazy part then IMO there is no reason it could not put them on top.

[Raptor22]

they simply cannot bolt on a copy and hope it works, the nose is the start of the whole car, thus isnt actually the place to replace when it isnt needed.

Those strakes probably create an vortex thus reducing drag around the suspension arms or they seal off the lower side nose.

You cannot compare the vortex generators on an airplane to the ones on a f1 car, on the air plane it is clearly to allow the wing to generate more lift in high angle situations, but it cant be compared to the one on the merc as there isnt a wing further down.

I was not comparing them, i was demonstrating what they do.
remember this car?

See the sharp curved edge along the top of the bonnet. They were effective but they they added drag, but it was an attempt to affect the rear wing.

The Merc dive planes or strakes, are probably for the rear wing or air intake, but the wing is too far away from to be greatly affected anyway. Whatever it is, they are growing in size.

I think it's more to do with sealing the underside of the nose like i said than the suspension arms which have some movement.

About the nose, i don't think it can be said the car is designed from the nose and back. Remember BMWs table top solution mid season last year?
Any nose can be slapped on, as long the wind tunnel shows it's better than the existing one . It just has to be flush with the body and you're good.

The nose is not as integral as the front wing or floor, or even a DDD, and teams were slapping on DDD left right and center last year and still finding speed. the RB5 wasn't even designed to take a DDD and it still improved.

Let's say for example a red bull nose is 2 steps forward in down-force on the front splitter, 1 step forward in nose drag but 1/4 step back with side pod drag, on the Brawn style pods, because of the V ridges. It's still 2 3/4 steps forward and other side-pod changes to get back the 1/4 step can be made later down in the season.

Often a new cone does not require a new floor, But often it does.

there is nop blanket rule around this. It depends on whether the new noce affects flow to the floor or not.
It depends on where you want the centre of pressure.

the vortex generators (Strakes) on the side of the Mercedes looks to have the geometry for producing a vortex down the side of the monoque into the side pods.
there is probably some knock on effect with he flow around the front wheels and front wing ends.

[abel_231]

Is rumored the new difusset will be very different. Ross says the car will change much in these two weeks ... with only the free practice is that enough to prove it? I'm worried