2014-2020 Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

[Tommy Cookers]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110478
efficiency more important than performance? I thought in 2014 efficiency is performance.
After wanting already 110Kg of Fuel it seems obvious that Ferrari wants badmouth the new engine formula as they have a consumption aka efficiency deficit aka performance deficit? We will find out next year...

some races need more fuel than others
because of this the fixed fuel rate allowance is and always was fundamentally in conflict with the fixed fuel quantity allowance
the fuel quantity allowance should be suitably event-specific, so that there is free racing not economy runs
the situation predicted by Pat Fry is not unique to Ferrari

[dren]

A most interesting link that GB, Ciro is indeed a member possessing the gift of eloquence, isn't he?

He certainly has that gift of eloquence that makes for great reading!

I'm glad you posted that, gave me a few good laughs!

[langwadt]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110478
efficiency more important than performance? I thought in 2014 efficiency is performance.
After wanting already 110Kg of Fuel it seems obvious that Ferrari wants badmouth the new engine formula as they have a consumption aka efficiency deficit aka performance deficit? We will find out next year...

some races need more fuel than others
because of this the fixed fuel rate allowance is and always was fundamentally in conflict with the fixed fuel quantity allowance
the fuel quantity allowance should be suitably event-specific, so that there is free racing not economy runs
the situation predicted by Pat Fry is not unique to Ferrari

yeh, I don't see why they have both a flow and quantity limit, unless they think there's a possibility of cheating with the
flow rate
the flow limit should be sufficient to put some limit on power just like air restrictors used in other series, but with the
nice benefit that some of the worlds brightest can fight on who can make the most efficient engine

[FrukostScones]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110478
efficiency more important than performance? I thought in 2014 efficiency is performance.
After wanting already 110Kg of Fuel it seems obvious that Ferrari wants badmouth the new engine formula as they have a consumption aka efficiency deficit aka performance deficit? We will find out next year...

some races need more fuel than others
because of this the fixed fuel rate allowance is and always was fundamentally in conflict with the fixed fuel quantity allowance
the fuel quantity allowance should be suitably event-specific, so that there is free racing not economy runs
the situation predicted by Pat Fry is not unique to Ferrari

not next year! it is will be a challenge for every team to get the max out of the fuel for every track characterics and length...but there will be no fuel saving, only inefficient engines that will have a lower output (or perormance) while coming over the distance. or am I completely wrong?

[Tommy Cookers]

each race is characterisable as equivalent to some number of minutes of free racing that will consume fuel at 27.78 gm/sec
for every race that number of minutes is in principle unique to that race
so each free race would have its corresponding total fuel consumption equivalent to eg somewhere in the range of 95-105 kg
so at some races much of the time drivers will have to reduce their power and the competition will be an economy run
this applies to all engines, no-one will design an engine that only uses 90 kg at some races to make sure it never needs 101 kg
this basic situation remains even with some engines more efficient than others
it will only be relieved with the fuel quantity allowance matched to the race eg 95 kg Monaco, 105 kg Monza or whatever
that way the drivers race freely ie use their fuel at 27.78 gm/sec for the whole race

[GitanesBlondes]

each race is characterisable as equivalent to some number of minutes of free racing that will consume fuel at 27.78 gm/sec
for every race that number of minutes is in principle unique to that race
so each free race would have its corresponding total fuel consumption equivalent to eg somewhere in the range of 95-105 kg
so at some races much of the time drivers will have to reduce their power and the competition will be an economy run
this applies to all engines, no-one will design an engine that only uses 90 kg at some races to make sure it never needs 101 kg
this basic situation remains even with some engines more efficient than others
it will only be relieved with the fuel quantity allowance matched to the race eg 95 kg Monaco, 105 kg Monza or whatever
that way the drivers race freely ie use their fuel at 27.78 gm/sec for the whole race

Do you think the fuel situation will be addressed, or will it just be up to the teams to figure out to get to the finish line with the amount of fuel on board even if it means running out?

I'm wondering if it's going to take an issue like the one that happened at San Marino 1985 when almost everyone ran out of fuel even in spite of guys reducing the boost pressure to nothing in order to try and conserve fuel. I recognize that was 30 years ago almost, and that the efficiency is night and day, yet a whole bunch of cars parked on the side of a circuit due to running out of fuel would be rather embarrassing.

[xpensive]

As a travesty on Dan Gurney; "So your fuel doesn't last the whole race, perhaps you are driving too fast?"

[wuzak]

each race is characterisable as equivalent to some number of minutes of free racing that will consume fuel at 27.78 gm/sec
for every race that number of minutes is in principle unique to that race
so each free race would have its corresponding total fuel consumption equivalent to eg somewhere in the range of 95-105 kg
so at some races much of the time drivers will have to reduce their power and the competition will be an economy run
this applies to all engines, no-one will design an engine that only uses 90 kg at some races to make sure it never needs 101 kg
this basic situation remains even with some engines more efficient than others
it will only be relieved with the fuel quantity allowance matched to the race eg 95 kg Monaco, 105 kg Monza or whatever
that way the drivers race freely ie use their fuel at 27.78 gm/sec for the whole race

Do you think the fuel situation will be addressed, or will it just be up to the teams to figure out to get to the finish line with the amount of fuel on board even if it means running out?

I'm wondering if it's going to take an issue like the one that happened at San Marino 1985 when almost everyone ran out of fuel even in spite of guys reducing the boost pressure to nothing in order to try and conserve fuel. I recognize that was 30 years ago almost, and that the efficiency is night and day, yet a whole bunch of cars parked on the side of a circuit due to running out of fuel would be rather embarrassing.

They tend not to start the races with a full fuel load now, but they rarely fail to make the finish.

Sometimes they miscalculate, like Mercedes did in Malaysia, and have to reduce their speed substantially to make the end of the race.

[312T]

Turbo: Renault - BorgWarner e Ferrari - Honeywell?

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/31542/ ... -honeywell

I found it interesting...

Regards, this is my first post.

[ringo]

The engines have direct injection, I think they can manage the race pretty well fuel wise. Some races will be a feul saving exercise indeed, but I think the fuel saving will be done in the least obvious moments like Safety car periods, yellow flags, rain, pitstops, following or braking behind slower cars.
It's also likely that the 27g/s was estimated from the longest race that consumes the most fuel.

[GitanesBlondes]

As a travesty on Dan Gurney; "So your fuel doesn't last the whole race, perhaps you are driving too fast?"

Nothing like the Weslake V12 to teach you how to conserve fuel!

[Tommy Cookers]

The engines have direct injection, I think they can manage the race pretty well fuel wise. Some races will be a feul saving exercise indeed, but I think the fuel saving will be done in the least obvious moments like Safety car periods, yellow flags, rain, pitstops, following or braking behind slower cars.
It's also likely that the 27g/s was estimated from the longest race that consumes the most fuel.

27.777777gm/sec is 100 kg/hr
so notionally this fuel rate limit is equivalent to only 1 hr of full torque demand running time (equivalent to 100 kg consumption)
so are all the races going to fit this ?
races currently use between 145 and 195 litres ?
the only way to fit the FIA '100 kg at 100 kg/hr' is to adjust many of the race distances
so that the 100 kg limit becomes equally significant (or not) at all races
the point of fuel rate limiting is to give perceptibly free driving
so that the fuel consumption will be a design matter, not a driver matter
surely at many races the 100 kg limit will cause the drivers to back off, and this will damage the racing image ?

[xpensive]

...
27.777777gm/sec is 100 kg/hr
so notionally this fuel rate limit is equivalent to only 1 hr of full torque demand running time (equivalent to 100 kg consumption)
so are all the races going to fit this ?
...

Not torque, but one hour of full power demand.

[Blanchimont]

Not torque, but one hour of full power demand.

Full power demand above 10500rpm!

[bonjon1979]

Not torque, but one hour of full power demand.

Full power demand above 10500rpm!

Forgive me if this is a completely stupid question and heretic to mention in F1 but is there anything in the rules to stop them from producing diesel engines...