2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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Honda are not running on a shoe string budget unlike other manufacturers they don't need to be shuffling parts around between teams they can just take new pu rather than refurbishing parts

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Last year at monza, Verstappen was 1 second off 4rth in Q3. Will be interesting to see this year how closer the team is.

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He will start at the back. Albon is not a reliable barometer

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And will they race Spec 4? They said Spec 4 will be introduced to all 4 cars now. But we don't know if they will use it during qualifying and race.

We only knew they used Spec 2 with Albon when the race finished. So will be an unknown until the race ends...

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
04 Sep 2019, 20:29
And will they race Spec 4? They said Spec 4 will be introduced to all 4 cars now. But we don't know if they will use it during qualifying and race.

We only knew they used Spec 2 with Albon when the race finished. So will be an unknown until the race ends...
unless some astute journo can tell us before the race begin .. frankly i find it a bit disrespect to keep the fans and followers blind
i mean till 2 days ago we all thought it was spec 3 which raced in Hungary and that ALBON raced spec 4 in SPA.
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McMika98 wrote:
04 Sep 2019, 07:59
Max has no option but to use spec 4.0 as his engines on its last leg. Gasly can wait as he has two spec 3.0 in the pool which Albon took in Austria.
it's not possible to take two new engines (with a penalty) during the same weekend anymore. If you do, the first one goes bang.

They only did a second change of all components because there was no penalty for the first MGUH and Turbo that weekend, so by changing it all again, they added one of those - but not the ICE

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McMika98 wrote:
04 Sep 2019, 18:46
Capharol wrote:
04 Sep 2019, 11:36
dxpetrov wrote:
04 Sep 2019, 11:18
There is no such thing as 5 place penalty. The actual penalty is: ''You get the F to the back of the grid''.
there are 5 place grid pen. but only if you change parts of an car or engine
This will be Ricciardo's fifth new ICE of 2019, and Hulkenberg's sixth, both exceeding their allocation of three for the season. They will take five-place grid drops each.
I took a lot of flak from Honda zealots when i criticised the design for being rigid and not able to interchange components. Any other manufacturer can simply replace one of the four defective PU component but for Honda they have always opted a new turbo and MGUH with new ICE even if they have pool of components. Hopefully this will be addressed next year with modular components that can be replaced without needing wholesale refit.
That would probably be because you used it as a tool to flame, not as a viable technical observation. I believe you were served with the same reason I will repeat now. This was from Yusuke Hasegawa who was in charge back then..

The turbo and MGU-H unlike other components are directly linked, while a turbo upgrade may not always require an MGU-H change (See Canada 2016), they chose to always change them both as any issue with either would have a direct physical effect on the other. As we know, 2017 especially, Honda's major weakness was the MGU-H which had a habit of popping quite often, it physically seized which obviously then caused lasting damage to the turbo, stupid to run one new unit without the other. The -H was new tech, a turbo never seizes in this day and age so you rarely saw the reverse happening, also note an MGU-H failure with other manufacturers usually led to turbo swaps as well. A consequence of not nailing the design of -H. Ironically, when McLaren severed the relationship, Honda introduced it's own full in-house design in Bahrain 2018. Interesting to observe the significant reliability jump that was the achilles heel came from doing things their own way.

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search wrote:
05 Sep 2019, 00:23
McMika98 wrote:
04 Sep 2019, 07:59
Max has no option but to use spec 4.0 as his engines on its last leg. Gasly can wait as he has two spec 3.0 in the pool which Albon took in Austria.
it's not possible to take two new engines (with a penalty) during the same weekend anymore. If you do, the first one goes bang.

They only did a second change of all components because there was no penalty for the first MGUH and Turbo that weekend, so by changing it all again, they added one of those - but not the ICE
Thanks for clarifying the ICE which im sure was not allowed but Honda went for the max penalty when in fact they could only have had grid penalties. Odd choice since they already were getting fresh components. Agaim its not like they can interchange and reuse them on a different ICE set as their upgraded spec wont be as compatible.

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Wazari wrote:
04 Sep 2019, 02:29
I'm wondering if they will try and squeeze two more races out of their existing engine pool. Something tells me that Spec 4.XX/5 (Spec 4 with revised turbo and intake plenum) should be ready by Sochi along with a fuel upgrade. Maybe skip Spec 4 altogether for Max and Gasly??
@ Wazari-san,

Honda was very unclear who drove the spec 4 at what time.

Did Kvyat and Albon both ride the spec 4 on Friday?

Did Kvyat and Albon both run the race on Sunday with the spec 4
or only Kvyat or neither of them?
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From the FIA, yes, we are sure the spec 4 was run in FP1, but that's all we are certain of.

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Wouter wrote:
05 Sep 2019, 08:40
Wazari wrote:
04 Sep 2019, 02:29
I'm wondering if they will try and squeeze two more races out of their existing engine pool. Something tells me that Spec 4.XX/5 (Spec 4 with revised turbo and intake plenum) should be ready by Sochi along with a fuel upgrade. Maybe skip Spec 4 altogether for Max and Gasly??
@ Wazari-san,

Honda was very unclear who drove the spec 4 at what time.

Did Kvyat and Albon both ride the spec 4 on Friday?

Did Kvyat and Albon both run the race on Sunday with the spec 4
or only Kvyat or neither of them?
only kvyat run the spec 4 on sunday

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Has RB/TR or Honda already made a comment on why they are switching between specs?

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Alexf1 wrote:
05 Sep 2019, 13:01
Has RB/TR or Honda already made a comment on why they are switching between specs?
In some article, there was something like "honda managing engine life across its engines".

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Alexf1 wrote:
05 Sep 2019, 13:01
Has RB/TR or Honda already made a comment on why they are switching between specs?
Go back a few pages I already translated part 2 and 3 of Tanabe interview. His answers are intentionally vague but also specific.

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Ok I will. Thanks