2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

[AlonsoMcl]

Embarrassing ,really embarrassing.. What a shame for McLaren. Let's wait for the race but beaten by a newbies is unacceptable. Do you think they made something wrong with the setup yesterday ? I don't really think they will perform better today. And the fact that Gro-Stro-crashers are starting near them...Even the rain can't help them

[mwillems]

If your chassis man and his team show stats to the leadership team, and these stats show that an initial nose is crash test ready, or that they have a new suspension that will be brilliant for reasons X,Y and Z.... The leadership team discusses the direction and would probably agree with the guy they trust to head their chassis department. Let's go with what he says.

But this turns out to be very wrong and compromises the season, why does Boullier go? The chassis guy, aka Goss, should go. And has.

Anything gets attributed to Boullier because in large part people don't like his face. And the good calls don't seem to get shouted about quite as much. Not that he's perfect, he's made mistakes. But some of what is said in here regarding him is pure knee jerk nonsense and a general personal dislike. Partially because he is the mouth of Mclaren saying "we have a great car". How do you know that ZB didn't make him big up the team, no matter what, to help capture much needed sponsorship money?

I don't like his face, to be honest, but he has a bloody hard job to do at Mclaren and is making a number of good calls this year and he and his guys are directly responsible for bringing Mclaren a good haul of points this season.

[mclaren111]

Bouillier is responsible for track-side operations not designing the car

Until the latest reshuffle (+- two months ago) he was the de-facto Team Principal.

IIRC Tim Goss reported to EB. Thus his responsibility as far as I'm concerned.

[McHonda]

Something to consider guys. Q2.

Fernando Alonso - 1:12.85
Stoffel Vandoorne- 1:12.86

Not saying Stof is slow, but...

They were that close just about every run though, I don't think there was much time left in the car if that's what you're suggesting.

[mwillems]

Bouillier is responsible for track-side operations not designing the car

Until the latest reshuffle (+- two months ago) he was the de-facto Team Principal.

IIRC Tim Goss reported to EB. Thus his responsibility as far as I'm concerned.

He's still not a technical guy, and he still would have to trust what Goss reports and suggests. You either back your man or your man is gone, you can't second guess what he's telling you.

[radosav]

Something to consider guys. Q2.

Fernando Alonso - 1:12.85
Stoffel Vandoorne- 1:12.86

Not saying Stof is slow, but...

They were that close just about every run though, I don't think there was much time left in the car if that's what you're suggesting.

Alo was on race setup.

[McHonda]

Something to consider guys. Q2.

Fernando Alonso - 1:12.85
Stoffel Vandoorne- 1:12.86

Not saying Stof is slow, but...

They were that close just about every run though, I don't think there was much time left in the car if that's what you're suggesting.

Alo was on race setup.

Why wouldn't Stoff do the same? Did they say they were on different ones?

[mclaren111]

Bouillier is responsible for track-side operations not designing the car

Until the latest reshuffle (+- two months ago) he was the de-facto Team Principal.

IIRC Tim Goss reported to EB. Thus his responsibility as far as I'm concerned.

He's still not a technical guy, and he still would have to trust what Goss reports and suggests. You either back your man or your man is gone, you can't second guess what he's telling you.

Maybe I am a bit biased.

Here are some sensible comments by EB:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13665 ... -in-canada

[radosav]

They were that close just about every run though, I don't think there was much time left in the car if that's what you're suggesting.

Alo was on race setup.

Why wouldn't Stoff do the same? Did they say they were on different ones?

I followed live streaminga od McLaren and they said that Alo is concentrating on race setup while other are doing usual free practice task.

[McHonda]

Alo was on race setup.

Why wouldn't Stoff do the same? Did they say they were on different ones?

I followed live streaminga od McLaren and they said that Alo is concentrating on race setup while other are doing usual free practice task.

Ah ok, thanks.

[mclaren111]

They're .8 seconds faster than they were last year, probably due to the tires.

https://i.imgur.com/f1Plxjb.jpg

This is the reason they're slow I hope to god this piece breaks off in the race so they can have the pace to wind up in the points.

Wow! That flap looks almost perpendicular to the direction of travel.

Renault's does not look that big of a difference ??

[Alonso Fan]

They're .8 seconds faster than they were last year, probably due to the tires.

https://i.imgur.com/f1Plxjb.jpg

This is the reason they're slow I hope to god this piece breaks off in the race so they can have the pace to wind up in the points.

Wow! That flap looks almost perpendicular to the direction of travel.

https://imgr2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/R ... 168599.jpg


Renault's does not look that big of a difference ??

The flow in that region isn't even going head on straight like some assume

[Big Tea]

Something to consider guys. Q2.

Fernando Alonso - 1:12.85
Stoffel Vandoorne- 1:12.86

Not saying Stof is slow, but...

They were that close just about every run though, I don't think there was much time left in the car if that's what you're suggesting.

What I am hinting at is Alonso usually has a few tenths over his teammate, and Vandorne did 1:12.86, where is Alonso's 'missing speed'?

Are they indeed trying something with the set up, such as one stop, or has some artificial ceiling been placed on them?

Not suggesting Stoff is an inadequate driver, just considering what usually is and how close the times are.

It could be that both are just plain getting everything out of the car and thats as quick as it will go around, but Alonso usually squeezes a little more.

[radosav]

Something to consider guys. Q2.

Fernando Alonso - 1:12.85
Stoffel Vandoorne- 1:12.86

Not saying Stof is slow, but...

They were that close just about every run though, I don't think there was much time left in the car if that's what you're suggesting.

What I am hinting at is Alonso usually has a few tenths over his teammate, and Vandorne did 1:12.86, where is Alonso's 'missing speed'?

Are they indeed trying something with the set up, such as one stop, or has some artificial ceiling been placed on them?

Not suggesting Stoff is an inadequate driver, just considering what usually is and how close the times are.

It could be that both are just plain getting everything out of the car and thats as quick as it will go around, but Alonso usually squeezes a little more.

From McLaren live during fp3:


Fernando's switched from fast-slow-fast to constant running for this stint. He's concentrating on race pace rather than any sort of qualifying preparation.

[ALO_Power]

I still think that points will be scored.