The most dominant car in F1 history? The numbers..

[Nando]

+1 to that.

Just read about the Ferrari Tipo 500 like some have mentioned and it says it´s the second most dominant car statistic wise after the MP4/4.

87.5% in everything..

[elf341]

I calculated qualifying lockout (1-2) for some of the other great qualifier cars

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MP4/4  75.0%   (12 out of 16)
FW15   75.0%   (12 out of 16)
FW14B  62.5%   (10 out of 16)

By comparison, the F2002 which dominated the races had nowhere near as much qualifying dominance:

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F2002  33.0%   ( 5 out of 15) 

[Nando]

To be succesful in that you need not one but two very good drivers.

Good comparison would be RB6 and RB7.
´11 Webber was not anywhere near his game. Over a season he was on average 0.4 seconds away from Vettel.

In 2010 he was only 0.05 seconds away from Vettel.

[Tozza Mazza]

Best qualifying car must be RB7 right? 18/19 poles...

[elf341]

Best qualifying car must be RB7 right? 18/19 poles...

It depends what you mean by "best". In terms of poles, yes - but it delivered far fewer front-row lock-outs than the FW14B, FW15, or the MP4/4 (6 vs. 12 respectively) - all of which delivered similar pole results (only missing pole once in the season).

I think it is fair to say that the RB7, while very strong in the hands of Vettel, is inferior in qualifying dominance to those three cars.

[Gerhard Berger]

Best qualifying car must be RB7 right? 18/19 poles...

It depends what you mean by "best". In terms of poles, yes - but it delivered far fewer front-row lock-outs than the FW14B, FW15, or the MP4/4 (6 vs. 12 respectively) - all of which delivered similar pole results (only missing pole once in the season).

I think it is fair to say that the RB7, while very strong in the hands of Vettel, is inferior in qualifying dominance to those three cars.

Interestingly the RB6 achieved more front row lockouts (I make it 8 ).

[Caito]

Mercedes W196:
In the shortened 1955 Formula One season, abbreviated after the 1955 Le Mans disaster, the W196 won all but the 1955 Monaco Grand Prix.

[Nando]

Best qualifying car must be RB7 right? 18/19 poles...

It depends what you mean by "best". In terms of poles, yes - but it delivered far fewer front-row lock-outs than the FW14B, FW15, or the MP4/4 (6 vs. 12 respectively) - all of which delivered similar pole results (only missing pole once in the season).

I think it is fair to say that the RB7, while very strong in the hands of Vettel, is inferior in qualifying dominance to those three cars.

Interestingly the RB6 achieved more front row lockouts (I make it 8 ).

This more or less confirms my theory that Webber lost it in "11.
And not Vettel finding more speed.

Compare Qual gaps between the two and you'll see.

Had alonso or hammy had the other seat it would have been as dominant as the Williams in front row lockouts.

[raymondu999]

Nando - we have no benchmark. It could've been Vettel going faster, car going slower (equaling out - kinda) and Webber staying the same while the car went slower (making him have worse quali) or it could've been the car was just about the same; with Webber losing it.

We don't have any evidence to say either way

[elf341]

The RB6 did seem mighty on certain tracks. Remember Hungary? The RB6 was over a full second quicker than the next quickest car, the F150.

[PlatinumZealot]

Best qualifying car must be RB7 right? 18/19 poles...

It depends what you mean by "best". In terms of poles, yes - but it delivered far fewer front-row lock-outs than the FW14B, FW15, or the MP4/4 (6 vs. 12 respectively) - all of which delivered similar pole results (only missing pole once in the season).

I think it is fair to say that the RB7, while very strong in the hands of Vettel, is inferior in qualifying dominance to those three cars.

KERS was a contributing factor to those missed front rows, along with other things like jostling on the Q3 hot lap between teams. In old days qualifying I could see the RB7 getting a higher front row lock out rate.

[Nando]

Nando - we have no benchmark. It could've been Vettel going faster, car going slower (equaling out - kinda) and Webber staying the same while the car went slower (making him have worse quali) or it could've been the car was just about the same; with Webber losing it.

We don't have any evidence to say either way

What we do know though is that Vettel did not find another 4 tenths from nowhere and Webber is not that old to loose 4 tenths of pure pace over the winter.

We also saw Webber qualifying way below the cars potential in almost every single race.
There are no greyzones or mysteria in how to take a car fast around a lap.

Vettel is a good driver but not a god so if he puts it on Pole with a maximum of 8 tenths clear of anyone else, overall probably 3-4 tenths clear of anyone else, and when they are stuggling around 1 tenth faster then anyone else then we know the car is the fastest car on the grid.

[Caito]

[mod]Stay on topic![/mod]

[Nando]

It´s my thread i can do what i want

Sorry, but it´s just natural that threads go off-topic here

[bdr529]

I'd go with the MP4/4
Would have won every race that year
had Senna not tangled with Schlesser at Monza