2022 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 01 - 03

[dialtone]

According to Horner ferrari lost Imola because of clipping on straight early compared to Honda .how many times have we seen a ferrari behind a redbull even with drs they still fail to make a pass ie Maimi and canada come to mind .ferrari still has work to do on pu on many areas .peak power is half the story .is going to Rbr domination because development is limited on pu front.

Most races Ferrari has been ahead and something failed to allow RedBull to pass... Baku for example: Verstappen couldn't pass despite tow and DRS behind Leclerc that had neither (2.3s behind Checo).

Speed difference between Ferrari and RBR is minimal, 2kph in Miami without DRS. We've already shared screenshots of telemetry, videos overlayed with telemetry and whatever else you can think of. This is a dead horse now.

Imola had nothing to do with clipping, Ferrari was setup too soft for the wet, bouncing a lot on main straight and having to brake massively early in the first 2 chicanes, this was so easily visible in the Leclerc onboards against Checo that you should just go and watch it again, Checo would gain 100m on braking just on the first chicane.

Add to it that Ferrari was graining tyres in Imola due to incorrect setup thanks to the lack of practice... Ferrari PU has nothing to envy from RBR or anyone else. RBR is a good team, great driver and good at development, dominance is ridiculous considering it wasn't the better car in at least half the races.

Your original point was that everyone has to run to the limit and have engines that fail to keep up with RBR and that's not passing the fact check, and you still have to provide any data point in support of this, I've provided countless in many threads in each race or team thread.

[Bill]

its interesting that you bring Baku so how did that Ferrari pu fare.let me spell it out it ended up in bellowing smoke .charles could keep Max behind because of slipstream from perez .ferrari have all those pole but six straight victories belong to Rbr you know why mostly pu related .we cant keep going in circle you end up contradicting yourself ie "something failed".ok what is something is it pu.the bottom line no pu is at Honda level.

[dialtone]

its interesting that you bring Baku so how did that Ferrari pu fare.let me spell it out it ended up in bellowing smoke .charles could keep Max behind because of slipstream from perez .ferrari have all those pole but six straight victories belong to Rbr you know why mostly pu related .we cant keep going in circle you end up contradicting yourself ie "something failed".ok what is something is it pu.the bottom line no pu is at Honda level.

My man... you can really fill a book with stuff you don't know, did you know that? I'll reply this last time and then enough.

Perez was 2.4s ahead of Lec, that's far enough that it's no effect whatsoever. I've already analysed this from Miami (but you can get the same identical data in many other races) and posted the data on this in the aero section of this forum. These new cars have absolutely zero tow beyond 2 seconds, and it's minimal after 1.5s, that's what you get from making it easier to follow. Every driver commented on this during pre-season testing and the data backs it out.

The engine in baku was damaged by Barcelona, Ferrari analysed their engine and found that a valve was damaged in Barcelona due to the overheating, that valve disintegrated in Baku and caused another turbo to be damaged since the debris got in it.

and that's it. I'm done replying because you aren't interested in discussing.

[Evo2racer]

Wonder how many disappointed Mercedes’ fans there will be after this weekend

I think there’s a bit more to it than just the track surface.

Guess we’ll see come FP1

There will be many more Ferrari fans disappointed for sure.

MB and Sir LH fans already know that RB will win both titles this year.

However for Ferrari fans it will be a much more difficult pill to swallow having the fastest car and not winning a single title!

Anyway, like you said let’s wait for FP…

[Evo2racer]

Attending my first race in person as a bit of a treat this weekend - hope I’m not asking a stupid question here but even though F1 is not the screaming V10s of yesteryear, do people recommend earplugs being used for the weekend?

Il be in Stowe corner for reference

Apologies that it’s not a tech question - just an amateur fan on his first time visit!

To put it in perspective: last year at Zandvoort measurement results showed that the F1 cars noise emission was about 5 dB lower than the Porsche cup...
Noise at the stages could of course still well be above 85 dB(A), so if you are very careful for your ears you should take them with you, but don't expect the roaring V10 and V8 sounds of the past.

Very good point!

And honestly in the pits , straight line in Silverstone and on certain corners these new engines are loud enough.

I have been in Barcelona since 2015 (each years) and was in Silverstone in 2018….it was freakin loud enough, not good for our ears for sure

[Wouter]

Well, FP1 and FP2 will stay in the afternoon local time, despite the PC is back on Thursday.
Why? What do the drivers in the morning?

[Sieper]

Better for Television, FP2 “after” work.

[Wouter]

Better for Television, FP2 “after” work.

FP2 after work?? In Europe the people aren't at home from work at 4 pm or 5 pm in the afternoon.
During that time most people who are at home must also prepare dinner.

[TimW]

I guess these are UK times, F1TV app lists FP sessions an hour later for me.

[Sieper]

I think that is the reason Wouter. I used to always take the Friday off and now I don't always do that anymore, or just the afternoon.

[Wouter]

I guess these are UK times, F1TV app lists FP sessions an hour later for me.

Yes, I posted that the times are local. FIA always does. In almost whole Europe the times are one hour later.
Now it is media day on Thursday again, what will the drivers do till 1/2 pm in the afternoon?
They better move the FP1 in the morning as it always was.

[Wouter]

I think that is the reason Wouter. I used to always take the Friday off and now I don't always do that anymore, or just the afternoon.

Take a Friday off to watch FP's? 20 times a year? I don't think many people can/will miss so many free days in a year for watching F1.

[Sieper]

I do, but I also go for nice long ride on my racing bicycle as well. Long weekend with F1 and time off.

I really expect FP2 will stay at this time.

[PlatinumZealot]

its interesting that you bring Baku so how did that Ferrari pu fare.let me spell it out it ended up in bellowing smoke .charles could keep Max behind because of slipstream from perez .ferrari have all those pole but six straight victories belong to Rbr you know why mostly pu related .we cant keep going in circle you end up contradicting yourself ie "something failed".ok what is something is it pu.the bottom line no pu is at Honda level.

My man... you can really fill a book with stuff you don't know, did you know that? I'll reply this last time and then enough.

Perez was 2.4s ahead of Lec, that's far enough that it's no effect whatsoever. I've already analysed this from Miami (but you can get the same identical data in many other races) and posted the data on this in the aero section of this forum. These new cars have absolutely zero tow beyond 2 seconds, and it's minimal after 1.5s, that's what you get from making it easier to follow. Every driver commented on this during pre-season testing and the data backs it out.

These new tech-regs were basically:

Do you want to pass on the straights but have crap following through the corners?

Or, do you want to follow closer through the corners but have crap passing the straights?

Choose one.

[etusch]

Why there is ham's lap as pole lap while it was decided by sprint race?