2023 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 03 - 05

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New rules regarding pitlane protocol

Shootout and Qualifying

As per article 33.4 of the Formula 1 Sporting Regulations, drivers are not allowed to go unnecessarily slow, that includes stopping a car in the fast lane of the pit lane. During Shootout and Qualifying, drivers may create a gap between the pit exit lights and the SC2 line. Any driver who wishes to do so must drive as far to the left as possible to allow other drivers to pass them on the right side of the pit exit road.

So they can build a gap at pit exit but not whilst stationary, and they're not allowed to block the pane completely

[AR3-GP]

New rules regarding pitlane protocol

Shootout and Qualifying

As per article 33.4 of the Formula 1 Sporting Regulations, drivers are not allowed to go unnecessarily slow, that includes stopping a car in the fast lane of the pit lane. During Shootout and Qualifying, drivers may create a gap between the pit exit lights and the SC2 line. Any driver who wishes to do so must drive as far to the left as possible to allow other drivers to pass them on the right side of the pit exit road.

So they can build a gap at pit exit but not whilst stationary, and they're not allowed to block the pane completely

Has "stopping" been defined? Is it 0km/h? What about a 2km/h crawl?

[chrisc90]

Whats unnecessarily slow? But they say you can go out the way of the pit lane fast lane by pulling over.

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Whats unnecessarily slow? But they say you can go out the way of the pit lane fast lane by pulling over.

I think they are saying that coming to a complete stop in the pitlane constitutes "driving unnecessarily slow" which therefore means that they can apply the penalty of impeding to a driver doing that in qualifying, whereas previously it was a grey area.

Giving them the ability to drive slowly but not blocking the pitlane allows the drivers a way to build a gap without stopping, meaning the drivers are no longer stuck between two rules (being the maximum laptime and the no impeding rules) which was cited as the reason for not punishing the impeding in previous rounds.

So I fully expect any of the same situations to result in penalties if this director note remains in place

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Mostly dry weekend expected but a wet quali

[AR3-GP]

That will help RB and Mercedes 1 lap pace.

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The high wind will also be a problem, especially with a wet surface

[TimW]

New rules regarding pitlane protocol

Shootout and Qualifying

As per article 33.4 of the Formula 1 Sporting Regulations, drivers are not allowed to go unnecessarily slow, that includes stopping a car in the fast lane of the pit lane. During Shootout and Qualifying, drivers may create a gap between the pit exit lights and the SC2 line. Any driver who wishes to do so must drive as far to the left as possible to allow other drivers to pass them on the right side of the pit exit road.

So they can build a gap at pit exit but not whilst stationary, and they're not allowed to block the pane completely

And they must drive as far to the left as possible so that any driver coming from the pit lane can overtake them, stealing the gap they were trying to create. Just another recipe for chaos.

They better just abandon the minimum lap time and leave it to the drivers.

[mendis]

New rules regarding pitlane protocol

Shootout and Qualifying

As per article 33.4 of the Formula 1 Sporting Regulations, drivers are not allowed to go unnecessarily slow, that includes stopping a car in the fast lane of the pit lane. During Shootout and Qualifying, drivers may create a gap between the pit exit lights and the SC2 line. Any driver who wishes to do so must drive as far to the left as possible to allow other drivers to pass them on the right side of the pit exit road.

So they can build a gap at pit exit but not whilst stationary, and they're not allowed to block the pane completely

Wouldn't it be simple to just not allow any car to go slower than 50kph (or somewhere close to pit lane speed) and no stopping anywhere in the pit lanes in qualifying.
Also, instead of minimum time for the entire lap in qualifying, it would better serve to keep a minimum time for S3 alone, making it difficult to slow down in the last corner.

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New rules regarding pitlane protocol

Shootout and Qualifying

As per article 33.4 of the Formula 1 Sporting Regulations, drivers are not allowed to go unnecessarily slow, that includes stopping a car in the fast lane of the pit lane. During Shootout and Qualifying, drivers may create a gap between the pit exit lights and the SC2 line. Any driver who wishes to do so must drive as far to the left as possible to allow other drivers to pass them on the right side of the pit exit road.

So they can build a gap at pit exit but not whilst stationary, and they're not allowed to block the pane completely

Wouldn't it be simple to just not allow any car to go slower than 50kph (or somewhere close to pit lane speed) and no stopping anywhere in the pit lanes in qualifying.

I think because fundamentally building a gap in the pits isn't bad unless it blocks others from proceeding as normal: it's significantly safer than driving slowly elsewhere on the track and impacts other drivers less than the previous system of going extremely slowly on track.

I also agree a maximum time in S3 would make sense.. I think the reason they didn't go for that is that the drivers claimed that if you introduce a max time in s3 they would just be excessively slowly elsewhere on the lap and the impeding issue would simply be displaced rather than concentrated at a few particular corners.

[Oleo]

Gotta love the fia.
You cant drive unnecessary slowly.
So we make it illegal to stop ( the best way to create gaps without unnecessary slow driving) and the only way to make a gap is now to drive unnecessarily slowly in the pit exit.
Oh and you have to make sure others can pass you while you do that, meaning you ll have to go even slower, cause each car passing you will mean 5 more seconds of gap you have to create....
Wtf..

[mendis]

New rules regarding pitlane protocol



So they can build a gap at pit exit but not whilst stationary, and they're not allowed to block the pane completely

Wouldn't it be simple to just not allow any car to go slower than 50kph (or somewhere close to pit lane speed) and no stopping anywhere in the pit lanes in qualifying.

I think because fundamentally building a gap in the pits isn't bad unless it blocks others from proceeding as normal: it's significantly safer than driving slowly elsewhere on the track and impacts other drivers less than the previous system of going extremely slowly on track.

I also agree a maximum time in S3 would make sense.. I think the reason they didn't go for that is that the drivers claimed that if you introduce a max time in s3 they would just be excessively slowly elsewhere on the lap and the impeding issue would simply be displaced rather than concentrated at a few particular corners.

IMO it's bit a of BS from drivers to thwart the S3 speed limit. Based on my noob observation, they need the tyres to be perfect temperatures before they start the flyer. So they slightly overheat it before they arrive at the last turn and then try to cool it down to the ideal temperature and then off they go for the lap. For that process to successfully complete, they need the slowing down at the last corner. That's why gave excuses of causing traffic at other sections of the track. Drivers don't fight for something other than for themselves.

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Wouldn't it be simple to just not allow any car to go slower than 50kph (or somewhere close to pit lane speed) and no stopping anywhere in the pit lanes in qualifying.

I think because fundamentally building a gap in the pits isn't bad unless it blocks others from proceeding as normal: it's significantly safer than driving slowly elsewhere on the track and impacts other drivers less than the previous system of going extremely slowly on track.

I also agree a maximum time in S3 would make sense.. I think the reason they didn't go for that is that the drivers claimed that if you introduce a max time in s3 they would just be excessively slowly elsewhere on the lap and the impeding issue would simply be displaced rather than concentrated at a few particular corners.

IMO it's bit a of BS from drivers to thwart the S3 speed limit. Based on my noob observation, they need the tyres to be perfect temperatures before they start the flyer. So they slightly overheat it before they arrive at the last turn and then try to cool it down to the ideal temperature and then off they go for the lap. For that process to successfully complete, they need the slowing down at the last corner. That's why gave excuses of causing traffic at other sections of the track. Drivers don't fight for something other than for themselves.

Has the maximum laptime rule not improved things in terms of on-track impeding and traffic jams at the end of the lap? I feel there's been very few incidents of traffic paradise / on-track blocks since that was introduced

[Wouter]

Mostly dry weekend expected but a wet quali

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[Wouter]

Very nice helmet from Lewis this weekend.