I think it is time to refresh the moderators. What do non-moderators think?

[Wouter]

Wouter, that’s not what happened, not how it happened, and not what I wrote.

Fog of war and limits of your point of view, remember that, guys.

And I am out, enjoy the mudslinging.

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I don't know if this is what you are talking about, but this time you didn't gave me a warning. Another time you did, but I couldn't find it.
This was with 2 other persons and what I wrote before was about 1 person.
After several PM's you gave one of the two a warning (?) ("further action that is not visible to you") but not me.



hollus wrote: ↑
30 Oct 2023, 20:01
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There will be warnings if this continues, because the other users might want to actually hear arguments, including from
opposite views (often the most enlightening, whether you agree or not with the angle). The other users definitively do not want
to hear you three bickering about each other.

Please, be nice, be civil and don't crowd the space.

Sent: 30 Oct 2023, 20:51
From: Wouter
Recipient: hollus

Good evening @Hollus,

You write a whole story that should relate to all three.

I was attacked by two huge Ricciardo fans from Australia and described as a troll.
I retreated and said I would not post again and they kept on pointing the finger at me
and they kept proving they were right and I was wrong, when I was no longer there at all!
Because they kept doing that I reacted after 6 days for the first time!

Would you mind telling me what exactly I did/am doing wrong? Please give me some quotes of mine.

Regards,
Wouter
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Wouter wrote:
01 Nov 2023, 14:11
Hi Hollus,

I want to report this false accusation from @runningmanz AGAIN!
He is obsessed en is reading things that are not there!

This is my (translated) source: https://racingnews365.nl/waarom-alphata ... -in-mexico

Regards,
Wouter

Sent: 01 Nov 2023, 18:25
From: hollus
Recipient: Wouter
Hi Wouter,

Even if you had been partial, that response from runningmanz still would not be OK.
It is precisely the type of not allowing the other side its own argument line that was discussed in that triple PM.

Actions taken, first removal of posts (including yours in the middle), and further action that is not visible to you.

[chrstphrln]

Just under a year ago, I had also briefly forgotten how strictly the ban on politics is enforced here and received a message from hollus.
A message, not a warning.
As I myself was a moderator in a large forum for many years, I know what happens when the ban on politics is not strictly enforced.
Every faint hint of a political comment by a user will be criticised by other users as unequal treatment by the moderators, interpreted as taking sides or taken as an opportunity to politicise again.
In this respect, I expressly welcome what hollus is doing here.
I also think it's a waste of time to discuss a moderation decision.
Most of the users here don't even know each other personally, and English is not the native language for many of them, so misunderstandings or different interpretations are simply to be expected.
If you think you have been misunderstood, you can write it in a nice and polite sentence, explain how it was meant and good.
The fact is, if a moderator misinterprets something, many users will do the same.
So it's up to you to express yourself in such a way that you remain unequivocally outside the political grey area.
If you can't do that, it's better to avoid any discussion, because you can only lose it. And lose it rightly.



Quite apart from that, it is more the rule than the exception in forums that some long-established users and some long-standing moderators clash again and again.
Sometimes you don't like the way they express themselves, sometimes someone has a general problem with authority, sometimes a mod can't handle the little bit of power they have over others in a forum, sometimes someone is more resentful than an abused elephant.

The thing we should all remember and what has already been mentioned here is that it's our shared hobby, we're all here voluntarily and there are a thousand things more important than some interaction on the internet.
My life doesn't get any better or worse if I've written rubbish here myself or read rubbish from a moderator. And if I do, I have completely different problems than the moderation of this forum.

With this in mind, dear moderators, please continue as long as you enjoy it, work on yourselves, reflect and hold up a mirror to each other from time to time.
However, the existence of this thread shows that you are on the right track.

[Seanspeed]

Tbh - the Twitter thing is just petty. Click the link and there’s that little 9 letter word underneath the tweet that says translate and it automatically does it for you.

That feature literally does not function.

[chrisc90]

Tbh - the Twitter thing is just petty. Click the link and there’s that little 9 letter word underneath the tweet that says translate and it automatically does it for you.

That feature literally does not function.

Can’t speak for the quality of Googles translation, but the translate feature translates it to English. See the video a couple posts down

[Seanspeed]

Tbh - the Twitter thing is just petty. Click the link and there’s that little 9 letter word underneath the tweet that says translate and it automatically does it for you.

That feature literally does not function.

Can’t speak for the quality of Googles translation, but the translate feature translates it to English. See the video a couple posts down

Has genuinely not worked for me ever. Maybe you need to be signed in to Twitter for it to work or something? I wouldn't know about that, though...

[TimW]

Has genuinely not worked for me ever. Maybe you need to be signed in to Twitter for it to work or something? I wouldn't know about that, though...

It also does not function for me. I guess I value my privacy too much.

In my opinion posters should at least summarize the content of what they link. But some seem more focused on quantity than quality.

[Wouter]

That feature literally does not function.

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Can’t speak for the quality of Googles translation, but the translate feature translates it to English. See the video a couple posts down

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Has genuinely not worked for me ever. Maybe you need to be signed in to Twitter for it to work or something? I wouldn't know about that, though...

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Yes, you must have a Twitter account and you must have signed in otherwise the link "translate" doesn't work.

[Airshifter]

Years ago I was on a forum that decided to make all moderators anonymous. For any mod duties they logged in as Mod, Mod1, Mod2, etc. The vast majority of the accusations stopped, since they didn't know who they were talking to and couldn't play the blame game as easily.

And those that didn't stop, got the banhammer. Sometimes tossing out the trash is the easiest way to make a place quit smelling like trash.