Yeap you are right,
Just wondering why they would mention it in the press release?
Perhaps (seeing the dramas in Japan and Korea) , what they mean is that, the so called "Monsun" full wet tires are back.
That would mean Intermediate tires + 2 version of wet (rain and heavy rain/Monsun tire).
But it would be an odd choice of words in the press release, if this is the case
Just guessing here, we will need to wait what they say in the full regs, when they get published.
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Holm86 wrote:The "re-introduction of intermediate tyres for 2011" line olso got me confused still dont understand what they mean ...?
As far as I remember they were going to drop intermediates and introduce one all-around wet tyre. So I think that it means that they thought it over and dropped the idea about dropping intermediates
Well the soft tires last year lasted practically 3/4ths of a race, all I'm saying is that they should be able to make a tire that has more grip but instead only lasting 1/3rd of a race. What it seems like they are doing, to me anyway, is to make a tire that not only lasts less and has less consistent characteristics but also has less grip overall. I mean if their strategy is to be more aggressive with the tires than last year, I would expect that to mean tires with more grip, as a natural consequence they would not last as long.
If Pirelli can't make a grippier tire than last years then it raises doubts in my mind about the quality of their construction methods, and their technical ability for that matter. Then again my opinion is hardly a drop in the proverbial bucket. I mean who cares if I think that Pirelli made a crap tire relative to the Bridgestones, and as a consequence influences my buying decisions for tires in the future. It's not the durability of the tire that skews my perception, it's that they made a tire that isn't any better characteristic wise(consistency, overall grip) yet has half the durability.
I think from a purely marketing standpoint, if we use last year as a reference point, we could make this year's hard tire be somewhere between the soft, and normal compound of last year, and work our way down.
frankly I don't care how long they last as long as they produce a tyre which gives a choice of strategies , smooth drivers can make less stops sort of thing ; race driving should be possible with a variety of approaches as fangio/clark proved all those years ago , always had fuel and tyres left at the end when they needed them
the compounding has no relationship to road tyres anyhow
bridgestone did a terrible job last year , pirelli have promised us better racing , let's hope they give it to us
godlameroso wrote:Well the soft tires last year lasted practically 3/4ths of a race, all I'm saying is that they should be able to make a tire that has more grip but instead only lasting 1/3rd of a race. What it seems like they are doing, to me anyway, is to make a tire that not only lasts less and has less consistent characteristics but also has less grip overall.
They might not have a choice.
godlameroso wrote:If Pirelli can't make a grippier tire than last years then it raises doubts in my mind about the quality of their construction methods, and their technical ability for that matter.
Yep. Had been my concern many months ago. But we'll see how it pans out.
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Out of interest why does the tyre need to be grippier in the first place? Does it matter if it's the same pace as the Bridgestones or a second a lap slower?
So what if the tyres go off after 5 laps. If Pirelli wanted to make a tyre last the race, they would. You would no doubt laud them as wonderful, but the rest of us would find that doing 50 laps on a softer option tyre to be ridiculous for the sport.
Pirelli were given a mandate by the FIA to go more aggresvie on the tyres so that preservation will play an important role in the race. Not the defining role, but an important one nevertheless. And that can only be good for racing. IMO
I disagree. Tire conservation will now be the primary goal, not just an important one. Who cares if your car is a few tenths faster if the wear is so bad that you can't even keep the car pointed straight or have to wait seconds in the pits? Just wait for the hot days to come or tracks where pick up and debris are familiar... Everyone will be running tire conservation strategies and the only overtakes that'll stick will be down the straights or by pitstop strategy. The Pirellis are not as grippy, wear WAY faster, and only have slightly better turn in for a few laps to show for it than the Bridgestones. Pirelli sure could make a tire that would last the entire race, it would have such little grip that GP2 cars might even give the F1 cars a run for their money...
still dont understand what they mean ...?
