BBC Max Mosley programme

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Yes let us disregard my opinon as it does not meet with WhiteBlue's agenda to show Max Mosley as a pillar of truth, honesty, integrity and an all round good guy.

MrM couldn't even be honest with his wife, whom he has made a life-long promise, so how the hell can any reasonably minded person in the wider world believe a single word that comes out of his mouth?

Maybe I'm wrong for holding honesty and integrity as being so important for public figures who want to hold influential positions or maybe it speaks volumes of MrM's most vociferous supporters, either way this thread is going nowhere.

autogyro
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andrew wrote:Yes let us disregard my opinon as it does not meet with WhiteBlue's agenda to show Max Mosley as a pillar of truth, honesty, integrity and an all round good guy.

MrM couldn't even be honest with his wife, whom he has made a life-long promise, so how the hell can any reasonably minded person in the wider world believe a single word that comes out of his mouth?

Maybe I'm wrong for holding honesty and integrity as being so important for public figures who want to hold influential positions or maybe it speaks volumes of MrM's most vociferous supporters, either way this thread is going nowhere.
I disagree Andy.
It is you who is going nowhere.
You have yet to understand the thread subject.
The future of privacy legislation is of major importance to F1 by the way.

andrew
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No I fully understand the thread. MrM was a naughty boy and deceived his family leading a double life and got what he deserved. He choose to be a public figure and this is what happens when public figures get caught out through their own stupidity.

Richard
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Andrew - They don't just pick on people who choose to lead a public life, they pick on people leading private lives too. Get a copy of the NoW and see how many revelations are about public figures compared to private.

Ever wondered why journalists are never exposed for taking drugs or cheating on their partners? Their moral indignation is hypocritical posturing to sell trashy rags. Google "Andrew Marr injunction".

We all knew Mosley was a slippery manipulative character, a quick read of George Carman's account of the fuel rig affair will tell you that. That event showed him to be a liar and should have been justification to boot him out, but it barely registered a whimper. Meanwhile, something that was irrelevant to his ability to do his job raised the greater scandal.

The approach you advocate means that people who would be ideal in positions of leadership don't step forward because the press would make their lives intolerable. The only people prepared to enter public life are those slippery folk who first and foremost navigate the cesspool, competence at the job is secondary. That is why we a have UK treasury run by people who have no economic qualifications, while the only person with economic qualifications and experience of running a business was booted out because he covered up that he had a gay partner.

The result is that sexuality is a more important quality than competence. For Max, lying about the cause of a fireball in the pitlane was OK, but kink was criminal?

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autogyro wrote:If everyone who cheated on his wife or was involved with unusual sexual practise was exposed by the criminal media, there would be very few people left in important positions within society.(you want this to remain a lottery)

The modern bigoted holier than though attitude that seems common in our secular society, is going to be a major problem in the future with the explosion of communication. We are already seeing the demise of corrupt regimes and believe me this is happening very much because of the internet and access to it.
It may well accelerate the demise of F1, as it is seen by many as a polluting indulgence.
Why keep it a lottery? So that it keeps like today and there's an insane difficulty to find credible people and people to occupy strategic positions? I certainly don't agree with the way all this exposure is being done, but the communications explosion is a great way to stop this. How many politicians are rightly getting out of their positions by being found doing something that they shouldn't? And how many couples stopped fooling themselves after it became so difficult to cheat without anyone knowing about it?

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andrew wrote:Marriage vows are not about religon but are a promise to a loved one. He broke a promise and clearly lied. Shows MrM to be extremely untrustworthy and dishonest.
I think we can disregard this opinion as it has no relation to legal principles. It is simply driven by negative emotions. If one wanted to destroy the life of every public figure who has a failed relationship or marriage we could just as well ask them to walk on water. Half of all marriages get divorced and of the other half on close inspection you would find the majority experienced marital infidelity at one point.
Legally cheating is not a crime, but in the law there's still the understanding of the compromise between a couple and in the event of a break up it's possible in many legislations to alter the outcome of the kids guard and money division to favour the part affected by the cheating. In legislations where there must be an agreement do proceed with the divorce, proved cheating is something that makes the divorce an instant approval in many places.

Marital infidelity is indeed common, as are many questionable behaviours both morally and legally, but that doesn't mean this is ok. It's a serious thing even if considered common, with results that are horrible. Funny how people are wiling to treat it as an irrelevant matter but will treat seriously a petty crime like stealing something cheap out of a convenience store.

And only shows most people are not to be trusted. From all your neighbours and the people you know, how many you trust? How many you would have in your house for more than a couple of hours?

Divorce doesn't really come into the equation here. Between trusting someone who chose to the divorce rather than cheating and someone that's married only to keep appearances, I would have no doubt in giving the first one a huge advantage.
richard_leeds wrote:The only people prepared to enter public life are those slippery folk who first and foremost navigate the cesspool, competence at the job is secondary. That is why we a have UK treasury run by people who have no economic qualifications, while the only person with economic qualifications and experience of running a business was booted out because he covered up that he had a gay partner.

The result is that sexuality is a more important quality than competence. For Max, lying about the cause of a fireball in the pitlane was OK, but kink was criminal?
Richard, I can't speak for Andrew as I don't know what he means. But being homosexual is certainly different from being a cheater. Sexuality if done or chosen inside some good sense is not a problem and is a different thing to infidelity, which is something no one likes or should like. Even cheaters don't like cheaters.
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Reason: removed f1 rant.
I've been censored by a moderation team that rather see people dying and being shot at terrorist attacks than allowing people to speak the truth. That's racist apparently.

God made Trump win for a reason.

autogyro
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Infidelity is a personal matter at least it should be.
I say again, how many top people in business and politics would still be in post if their private activities became public?

This issue goes far far further than infidelity or Max Mosley.
Many people and I know a few, qualified for high posts are now thinking twice before getting involved. This is a direct result of the criminals that are at present running the media for their own ends and also by default our governments.

This is a major issue and demands action to change this sad condition.
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Probably few people would remain autogyro, and by the way things go this would be actually good on many occasions, if not most. Infidelity is a personal issue that's very serious and has very serious consequences to the people around it. Therefore, even if it should be treated by the media way differently than it's today, it's still something that can expectedly and many times correctly jeopardize someone's position. You wouldn't hire someone that you know that could spread secret information about your company for some bucks, would you? That's another kind of infidelity very related to the one we are talking about.

People in high positions should especially think twice before assuming them, as the result of their actions is usually even more serious to others. Being able not to hide bad stuff is excellent as it keeps people who shouldn't be occupying those positions to do it, but again that doesn't mean the ways used currently to do this are correct, as you are pointing. It should indeed be changed, but not in a way to stop the truth from coming to the surface when and where it's appropriate. In Mosley's situation they failed on the where, probably in the interest of making a couple of bucks.
I've been censored by a moderation team that rather see people dying and being shot at terrorist attacks than allowing people to speak the truth. That's racist apparently.

God made Trump win for a reason.

autogyro
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The issue is not whether infidelity of any sort is right or wrong.
It is about personal privacy.

If the media are allowed to expose any information they like about a person, then that person is better served by not taking any important position in society.

I completely agree that the media should be allowed to investigate inside the law.
However it should not be for them to decide, what is in the interests of the public or what is legal or illegal. This must be a matter for the legal system.

That is why there should be an opertunity to decide whether a story is fit for public exposure or not.

Of course the public wishes to know all it can about important figures in society, this is public interest and is natural.
It is not the same as in the public interest, which has to be a legal definition and not at the whim of criminal media manipulators.