European GP 2010 - Valencia

[ISLAMATRON]

Hamilton is a liar because he said that he didn't remeber anything. In the video we can see how first Ham slows his speed whe he saw tha safety car. This is made to be sure that Alonso is not going to pass the safety car. Then Hamilton accelerate and pass the safety. Hamilton would be given a black flag. The punishment he received is ridiculous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZfUwGvUOaE

el Tron? a spanish tron? hilarious, almost as much as your silly first post

[dannyteasdale]

Hamilton is a liar because he said that he didn't remeber anything. In the video we can see how first Ham slows his speed whe he saw tha safety car. This is made to be sure that Alonso is not going to pass the safety car. Then Hamilton accelerate and pass the safety. Hamilton would be given a black flag. The punishment he received is ridiculous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZfUwGvUOaE

Well clearly there should be no penalty because the Safety Car crossed the pit exit line.

Haha - I like this!

[WhiteBlue]

My impression on this is Hamilton got confused. He saw the SC get out and initially slowed down. I think he might have thought he was under obligation not to pass already. Then he may have changed his mind as the safety car was recrossing the pit exit line. He probably thought the SC line was a the end of the pit exit line and broke the rule that way.

Hamilton is a liar because he said that he didn't remeber anything.

I don't think so. There is a plausible explanation, see above.

In the video we can see how first Ham slows his speed whe he saw tha safety car. This is made to be sure that Alonso is not going to pass the safety car.

How can you know that? There are other plausible reasons for his actions.

Hamilton would be given a black flag. The punishment he received is ridiculous.

No reason for a black flag. Or should black flags be given to all drivers who displease you? The punisment IMO was correct and fair. Alonso was unlucky that Kamui held up Button so that Hamilton lost no position.

[Poleman]

You two need to grow up - Webber said afterwards that Heiki braked 80 meters earlier than normal, in F1 that is massive!! Heiki should not have even bothered trying to defend his position against mark and if his team if they had a clue would have told him to get out of the way, this was not Monaco where there is no overtaking!

Kovalainen has the right to brake whenever he wants...80 meters sooner or 80 meters later...The fault its always from the driver following...Webber should have taken in mind all of the parameters before going in such a move (quite risky and unnessesary to pass a Lotus...) Oh and whats that???"Get out of the way"? Kovvy was racing he didnt have any obligation to roll over and let Webbo fly past him...Racing is racing,you are a racing driver either you drive a Redbull or an HRT ...You dont yield to anyone ,unless you are obligated to do so (blue flagged) ,either its Webber or Shumacher or Hamilton e.t.c!Webber put in danger both of them.Glad noone is hurt.

[ElTron]

My impression is also Ham got confused. The problem is that this is not an excuse to avoid the black flag. I don't know why but Hamilton seems confused several times. This guy doesn't know what is the meaning of the word honesty.

[komninosm]

Webber hits him in the braking zone, you can see some black rubber and the wavy asphalt. The speed difference is just huge, I wonder at what point did Webber think to start braking taking a clean lane and start braking, on the impact he still seemed to be going flat out.

Not true. I was listening to Webber's engine and he clearly let go of the gas pedal before collision. That's not to say that it isn't weird why he didn't make a proper move to the right and pass the Lotus. Bad judgment probably. And bad luck.

[TheRMVR]

It's unbelievable the amount of bad luck Alonso is accumulating this season. I still feel he could have won Canada at the very least second, and here he could have been 2nd at the very least third. But hey that's racing. I'm just happy Ferrari is back fighting for victories again.

[ElTron]

No reason for a black flag. Or should black flags be given to all drivers who displease you? The punisment IMO was correct and fair. Alonso was unlucky that Kamui held up Button so that Hamilton lost no position.

Kamui. who's Kamui? Is it not Charlie Whiting who helped Ham?

[TheRMVR]

Btw, this race was so typical Webber. He absolutely screwed up that start and made no impression after that. He can shine like a star for a race or two but he just can't keep it up.
It was good to see the Williams fighting for some good points again.

[komninosm]

Hamilton is a liar because he said that he didn't remeber anything. In the video we can see how first Ham slows his speed whe he saw tha safety car. This is made to be sure that Alonso is not going to pass the safety car. Then Hamilton accelerate and pass the safety. Hamilton would be given a black flag. The punishment he received is ridiculous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZfUwGvUOaE

Well clearly there should be no penalty because the Safety Car crossed the pit exit line.

LOL true, give a stop and go penalty to the SC :p

Seriously though, to people whining about poor stewards in this race and delays, take a look at:
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns01641.html
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns01671.html
Now stop whining please.

[WhiteBlue]

Kamui. who's Kamui? Is it not Charlie Whiting who helped Ham?

Kamui Kobayashi. Perhaps you specify how you think that Charlie Whiting helped Hamilton. Race control had their hands full with cleaning up after Webber's accident. When Alonso complained the breach of the SC rule was dealt with and that was it. No "help" seen anywhere.

[komninosm]

You two need to grow up - Webber said afterwards that Heiki braked 80 meters earlier than normal, in F1 that is massive!! Heiki should not have even bothered trying to defend his position against mark and if his team if they had a clue would have told him to get out of the way, this was not Monaco where there is no overtaking!

Kovalainen has the right to brake whenever he wants...80 meters sooner or 80 meters later...The fault its always from the driver following...Webber should have taken in mind all of the parameters before going in such a move (quite risky and unnessesary to pass a Lotus...) Oh and whats that???"Get out of the way"? Kovvy was racing he didnt have any obligation to roll over and let Webbo fly past him...Racing is racing,you are a racing driver either you drive a Redbull or an HRT ...You dont yield to anyone ,unless you are obligated to do so (blue flagged) ,either its Webber or Shumacher or Hamilton e.t.c!Webber put in danger both of them.Glad noone is hurt.

I don't think Kovalainen has the right to brake whenever he wants. It's heavily frowned upon to brake-test your opponents isn't it? I do not think he did brake early, I think he stopped accelerating early and tried to let Webber pass him easy, but it got fracked up.

[komninosm]

Hamilton is a liar because he said that he didn't remeber anything. In the video we can see how first Ham slows his speed whe he saw tha safety car. This is made to be sure that Alonso is not going to pass the safety car. Then Hamilton accelerate and pass the safety. Hamilton would be given a black flag. The punishment he received is ridiculous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZfUwGvUOaE

el Tron? a spanish tron? hilarious, almost as much as your silly first post

I read it as el Troll
You made me realize it was a Freudian slip on my part =D>

[komninosm]

Kamui. who's Kamui? Is it not Charlie Whiting who helped Ham?

Kamui Kobayashi. Perhaps you specify how you think that Charlie Whiting helped Hamilton. Race control had their hands full with cleaning up after Webber's accident. When Alonso complained the breach of the SC rule was dealt with and that was it. No "help" seen anywhere.

I'm tempted to say you are being baited by an obvious troll after the language used and the lack of knowledge or logic, but sadly I'm not that optimistic about the human race any more

[outer_bongolia]

Well clearly there should be no penalty because the Safety Car crossed the pit exit line.

Haha - I like this!

I think there were couple of things happening there: 1) SC actually crossed the line for an instant. 2) Hamilton slowed down then accelerated.

I don't know why he slowed down. He might have thought the SC will actually cross the line and block him, or he might have tried to perfectly time when he passes the car so that Alonso would get stuck behind it while he did his lap.

Whatever the case, Alonso did not slow down fully, either. He put his car between the SC and the medic car - so much for respect to the emergency...