Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

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raymondu999 wrote:
varunf12012 wrote:Trust me under heavy fuel load the car starts sliding around as the tyres are unable to be switched on by Mercedes. In qualifying the car was ok as fuel load was negligible.
You do realise that it's much easier to heat the tyres up in the race, and the fuel load would help the heatup, of course?
I realize what you are saying but then havy fule loading also results in car sliding around which results in lateral graining which is more disastrous then linear degradation over a course of race. Heavy fueloading with sliding cars would effect the tyres more and starts graining by the time they would be switching on.

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aduka11 wrote:
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aduka11 wrote:If Australia temperatures aren't high enough for Mercedes....i have no idea what is.

Maybe higher temperatures dont suit Mercedes...
The race started at 5pm local time. Temps where not as high as they could be and in fact are probably below average for a GP.
Yeah, but what do they expect to do then in Races like Canada or Silverstone.
Well lets hope by the time they would have resolved the tyre issues.

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I would say that lets hope for Merc to come good at Sepang. The car seems to be fundamentally good in all respects of handling and speed. The only problem is traction. I hope the Merc drivers survive the first few corners and race goes well.

I am actually hoping for a podium result from either of the drivers. If Merc dors not show good performance here then it seems they are in big trouble this season as well.

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Schumacher looked good in the race. He probably would have finished 4th or 5th.
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dren wrote:Schumacher looked good in the race. He probably would have finished 4th or 5th.
With their current degradation rate that would be the best they can achieve. I hope they can get around it for the next races. Tires were never this team's strong point. They have to solve their problem if they want to succeed.
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Morteza wrote:
dren wrote:Schumacher looked good in the race. He probably would have finished 4th or 5th.
With their current degradation rate that would be the best they can achieve. I hope they can get around it for the next races. Tires were never this team's strong point. They have to solve their problem if they want to succeed.
As Ross said at the season start.
We learned from our mistakes in last 2 seasons.
Bull****

They haven't learned anything.

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It's been one race with a brand new car under conditions that did not fully warm their tires. Everyone calm down.

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Ferraripilot wrote:It's been one race with a brand new car under conditions that did not fully warm their tires. Everyone calm down.
Yeah i guess its true.

But yet again other teams didnt had issues like that...which probably means lot of other teams did better job on tires than Mercedes did :cry:

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aduka11 wrote:
Ferraripilot wrote:It's been one race with a brand new car under conditions that did not fully warm their tires. Everyone calm down.
Yeah i guess its true.

But yet again other teams didnt had issues like that...which probably means lot of other teams did better job on tires than Mercedes did :cry:



We know what the Mercedes is capable of when they have properly warmed tires, and they proved that in qualifying. That is what I got from all last weekend, I know what the car is capable of. Had Schu not made a small mistake in the penultimate turn of S3, Schu could have qualified 2nd.


If you look at the laps, everyone has the same tire 'degredation' rate. The problem with W03 was simply that it wasn't using the tires at the operating level thus costing them over half a second. Easy fix, so again let's all take a deep breath and calm down. The car remains a substantial leap from W02.

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Ferraripilot wrote:
aduka11 wrote:
Ferraripilot wrote:It's been one race with a brand new car under conditions that did not fully warm their tires. Everyone calm down.
Yeah i guess its true.

But yet again other teams didnt had issues like that...which probably means lot of other teams did better job on tires than Mercedes did :cry:



We know what the Mercedes is capable of when they have properly warmed tires, and they proved that in qualifying. That is what I got from all last weekend, I know what the car is capable of. Had Schu not made a small mistake in the penultimate turn of S3, Schu could have qualified 2nd.


If you look at the laps, everyone has the same tire 'degredation' rate. The problem with W03 was simply that it wasn't using the tires at the operating level thus costing them over half a second. Easy fix, so again let's all take a deep breath and calm down. The car remains a substantial leap from W02.
+1 Malaysia will see the true race pace of the W03
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4iengoc ... re=related[/youtube]

Michael looks so smooth on semi-wet track..

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Anyone else notice W03 qualified a tenth quicker than Nico qualified W02 last year?

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If it were a simple issue of tire temperature the engineers would've been able to see that data while the car was on track. A simple tire pressure adjustment could've resolved that. They have something else causing issues. The track temperature talk from Brawn is just press BS. In Four days we will know for sure.

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Byron R wrote:If it were a simple issue of tire temperature the engineers would've been able to see that data while the car was on track. A simple tire pressure adjustment could've resolved that. They have something else causing issues. The track temperature talk from Brawn is just press BS. In Four days we will know for sure.


Getting more heat in the tires is sometimes solved with a simple camber adjustment. Ferrari and Mercedes went as far last year making a geometry change to the rear a few races in. This is not an insurmountable issue at all. THis was a simple mathematical error which was calculated by an assumtion in the first place. The assumption came from what the 'thought' the car would do in these temperatures, which it did not.

They car is a great performer when the tires are up, and qualifying proved this. Unheated tires during a race would cost half a second without much of a problem yet degredation would still be constant.

If you notice lap times compared to other teams, the degredation rates are the same. Merc just missed their heat window with the tires. They are that sensitive.

I've done some Ferrari challenge mechanic work here in the states and can tell you the geometry settings are different at each track and if the tire window is not hit, the entire race is down the tubes. The Ferrari F50 GT1 was especially sensitive to this. Recently, a GT1 was run at Laguna Seca for a magazine test and it took a dozen different outings to get the settings right for the tires to work. It's not easy at times!

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pirelli have stated more than once that low ambient can cause higher degradation ,so maybe ,maybe Mercedes have got it wrong with their tyre management -again.
Last year they got on top of the tyre issues quite early ,the yea rbefore i´m not sure they had a clue at all and 2009 the car was just so good they could live with not really understanding what the tyres need.
sure Mercedes/Brawn has a history of being reluctant to change in setup -but then you have only tyre pressure to adjust anyways after Q1...
We have seen in qualy that again and again teams or single drivers suddenly complain for unexplainable lack of grip ...so getting it wrong can surely knock off any performance edge you may have expected.

As for Nico -really he seems to be turned on by the presence of Schumacher by the looks of things.No ways he would have allowed himself to fade this much if Schu was leading the way.